It seems when you have a terrible attitude of entitlement and no willingness to learn, you’ll never be happy with anything. Huh.
In that case, I’d rather have him stay unhappy on Windows and not make those videos anymore.
If I went to macbook, tried my windows knowledge of CTL+alt+del, and it fails. I don’t blame the macbook.
This is what bugs me every time I see LTT Linus talking about Linux. He spent decades learning Windows. He immersed himself in it. Now he’s older and doesn’t realize the small amount of researching and “RTFM” for Linux is nothing compared to the energy he spent learning Windows stuff.
On the positive side - seeing stuff like this in others has helped me realize when I start exhibiting the same negative thoughts and behaviors.
What I would like to see is a Windows challenge, where they try to achieve privacy as close to out of the box linux as they can get. That would probably genuinely be entertaining.
I’ve watched Linus some 10 years ago and it always seemed like he’s more of a face and a presenter and has others do research and tell him what to do. They give him some minimum info and let him go and make content. He knows more than the average person and apparently that’s enough to make content.
I wish he took it more seriously. He has a huge platform and can reach a lot of people and he often rather uses it for his own enrichment instead shining a light.Jesus Christ this place is toxic as hell
As it should be. Linus is a patented moron.
People are being exposed to something outside their bubble, and are lashing out.
ffs stop using popos
Put Fedora gnome workstation and be done with it. Heck, put Linux Mint XFCE and I guarantee he wont even need to reinstall the OS unless the hardware breaks
I also don’t get it. How many people realistically only use their desktop PC for gaming and what’s the benefit of using a “gaming” distro if the same can be achieved with minimal amount on a more versatile distro?
I’m not sure if CachyOS counts as a “gaming” distro or not, but I use that on my desktop/work machine. I’m pretty familiar with Arch (BTW) and I can do a manual setup from scratch if I need to (that’s what my laptop runs) but Cachy just seemed like a way to use Arch with a simple setup and a bunch of default optimizations. So tl;dr laziness I guess lol.
How many people realistically only uses their desktop PC for gaming […].
The majority? Not everyone can or wants to afford 10 gaming gadgets just to play the same games on different devices.
what’s the benefit of using a “gaming” distro
There are some benefits. (I haven’t and don’t plan on watching the video, so I don’t know which they used.) CachyOS has some optimized kernels that help squeeze out more performance out of latency sensitive games. It is not earth-shattering, but there are measurable differences. One personal example was CS2. It ran fine on Fedora 42, but on Cachy there was noticeable less stutter when there was a lot of action.
I guess then we agree? Not many people can afford dedicate devices for just one use case, so a PC, in most instances will also be used for other use cases than gaming.
Thanks for the reasons for dedicated gaming distros, I wasn’t aware of those.
I have misread the meaning of
onlyin your sentence. Only for gaming and nothing else, almost 0%.
Why shouldn’t we use popos? Just curious…
Isn’t popos just Ubuntu with more eyecandy?
And preinstalled nvidea drivers (if you get that version)
Not as i’m aware of it. It’s clearly an Ubuntu branch, but they did other things to it. I don’t an expert 😅
And imo popos is still better than Microslop.
Well that ain’t hard to achieve :)
absolutely :)
We need to agree on a better way to get new users to easily chose a new Distro without having horrible choice paralysis. Asking AI doesn’t work, asking reddit or lemmy just starts a massive debate and gets the person asking nowhere.
Perhaps just refer everyone to nicks latest tier list although that is really for his use case, I mean he doesn’t even have bazzite on the list when it’s a good choice for a lot of people. Maybe there is a website that asks questions and recommends a distro based on that, or maybe I saw a cool flow chart photo that seamed good, but it’s an image so it won’t update itself when people come back to it later and the recomendations change.
I feel like Ubuntu used to be the sort of default “new user” distro, but they keep going off on these weird tangents so that doesn’t really work anymore. Then it felt like PopOS might have been the new one, but now they’re mid-way between transitioning to COSMIC so that’s not really a good fit either. I think maybe Mint is the default one now, but also Cinnamon is kind of it’s own thing so it doesn’t set a new user up well for becoming familiar with the more universally used DE’s like Gnome or Plasma.
I think Fedora and Debian are also a decent fit for new users, but that’s also not a very exciting answer so that’s probably why it doesn’t come up as much lol.
I wish that wasn’t a video, but a website with everything explained on one page. We used to host things damnit! /end rant
Think of him what you want, but I think this nicely shows the problems that “gamers” will encounter when switching to linuxand gives a good view from outside the Linux community
He set himself up for failure again with PopOS.
Cachy and Bazzite are much better choices by the other team members.
Homie installed an alpha version of a distro instead of picking the stable one, ran into issues, something something picture of dude shoving a stick into the wheel of the bike he’s riding.
I mean, in the video, Bazzite was still showing how it’s not streamlined. I feel he was being too polite or dishonest so he doesn’t get cancelled by the Linux community. Sure, a couple of the situations were not Bazzite fault, but if it really was the year of the Linux, it shouldn’t be 10 hiccups from install to game. And that was still with his Linux experience.
That PUBG fails, is clear. You just won’t have a good time with anti cheat based games like PUBG, Fortnite and the like.
Wanna play those? Stay on Windows or get a console. Just how it still is.
And problems with capture cards I would not book in the „normie“ camp, which on a basic level is the goal of this video series.
if it really was the year of the Linux, it shouldn’t be 10 hiccups from install to game.
It isn’t 10 hiccups from install to game, if you just install something normal like Ubuntu or Fedora! The problem here is that the noobs are getting seduced by useless meme distros instead.
I’m a fairly advanced user of gnu Linux distros at this point in my life. Fedora is no where close to straightforward for gaming. Bazzite is plug and play set and forget. Is it frustrating to deal with flatpaks and osm-tree instead of simply using a standard package manager? Sometimes, sure. But for an absolute beginner there really is no better option for gaming as a fresh convert from windows.
Audio problems and nvidia drivers can be an absolute nightmare on almost all major distros from Debian to Ubuntu, to fedora if you don’t have an absurdly advanced grasp of the processes underlying.
Bazitte takes all of that out of the picture. It’s absolutely not a meme distro. It’s perfect for an average tech literate person.
I use arch btw, Debian, fedora, Pop, lubuntu, Ubuntu, and a half dozen other distros on a daily basis across a handful of devices. So I’m not daily driving Bazitte, but for gaming and general purpose computing there’s no simpler distro imo and I’ll die on that hill.
How is the average person going to know that? If Joe blow can’t easily get to the distro they “should be using”, Linux ain’t happening for most people.
Think of him what you want,
Will do. He keeps damaging the reputation of the only real alternative to windows and he might be getting paid by Microsoft to do it. The last time he did this was fucking absurd. The terminal basically told him not to type a command unless he absolutely knew well what he was doing and he did it anyway. I will always maintain that if a user reads a lengthy and terrifying warning and then proceeds without any research, they have invited data and OS loss.
This seals it for me, Linus picks bad distros on purpose for views. Wtf, why would you pick pop os again? Distro is in a huge transition right now.
I have two different views and explanation what could have happened. Choose one. :D
The only benefit of doubt I can give Linus with this choice is, because its praised and recommended a lot. And that Linus is tackling this from a end user perspective who is searching the web and ChatGPT recommendation, coming of fresh from Windows without Linux experience. We all know Linus has Linux experience, but he might go the unexperienced route as a guide. And none of the websites doing these recommendations talk about the transitional phase PopOS is in right now.
But if I assume “bad” intentions, then he very well have made a risky choice by choice. Because he knows the other two will have good experience and then almost nothing controversial would happen = boring video, no interactions in the comment. He might have chose PopOS to boos his channel, not because he really really want to try PopOS again after he got burned so hard last time…
I think he’s a sleazy little shit who loves money more than anything. There is absolutely no good intentions about this. Even your “average user” knows where to go and whom to ask. The fact that a person goes out of their way to think about replacing an operating system already puts them in a higher bracket on the intelligence scale. Those who don’t know, won’t even have a problem with windows and will never even know what Linux is. I dislike Linus even more after this video.
I mean, he does answer why. You can disagree about the reason but he answers your question.
The video is 3 different people not just Linus. PopOS is not an uncommon choice, go into any beginner linux space and you’ll find people installing it all the time. All the issues were from System76 this time and last time.
And a new user trying to pick a distro would know and understand that … how? Because that’s the experience he’s trying to emulate.
I frequently see pop os recommended on lemmy too, so please don’t act like it’s obviously some outrageously silly choice.
I don’t understand how these tech people can be so bad with researching things and then installing a distro.
“I already know X. I’m brilliant, so if I don’t currently know Y, it’s not worth knowing. I will ignore the 30 years it took me to get to where I am knowing X.”
Which fallacies cover this? I suppose we can start with Dunning-Kruger?
It’s all for the show
Yea. I guess I always assume people are genuine, but it is a group who care about entertaining more than teaching.
I think it’s business savvy on his part, he had all the tech viewers he could get, so he expanded to tech entertainment.
I don’t like it but it’s profitable.
Can he not. He’s a moron.
Honestly, I think lots of people are hating on him just because. Pop is still highly recommended on a random Google search, and his reasons to pick it are legit. Plus he acknowledged that last time the issue was user error + unimaginable level of bad luck, and removing that there would be no reason for him not to use it. Also if you saw the WAN show he also installed Bazzite and Kubuntu on two other systems and got two other issues.
As much as I want to say he did something bad like last time, this time I don’t see it, his issues are legit and to dismiss them because he’s using an “unstable” (that is the default and recommended) DE or because he chose a distro that is in the top recommendations on every site out there is disingenuous.
On which website is Pop_OS! the top recommendation?
Tell me you didn’t even saw the video without telling me you didn’t even saw the video. But you want an extra one? This one, here’s the link to the pinned thread on this same community where the top 3 recommendations for beginner distros are Fedora, Mint and Pop: https://lemm.ee/post/37682729
Is watching the video a requirement to participate with the comment I wrote?
Not really, but this is a reply to most comments here about the video so without seeing the video and reading some of the other comments you are missing a lot of context. In the video Linus shows several different sites that recommend Pop, he even looks for recent sites written by people specifically because he got some bad comments about using listacle articles before. He also asks chatGPT, and while that’s not exactly reliable it is based on average messages online so it’s not fully random. Also, like I pointed out, the community we’re using to discuss this also lists is as recommended, which goes to show it’s not a fluke of the sites he used but that it is generally recommend broadly.
The fact that he asks ChatGPT should tell you all you need to know about his professionalism.
Besides, all top 10 websites that are returned by i.e. Google Search list either Ubuntu or Linux Mint as the best choice for beginners.He also looked at several sites before asking chatGPT to see what other options it would recommend, and he specifically says he asks it because that’s what a lay person would do, in those eyes I would say that a journalist that doesn’t ask chatGPT for this would be a bad one. Also, these are the first 3 links from my search:
Top comment says Pop.
https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/top-linux-gaming-distributions-2026-play-better-open-source
First item is SteamOS, the one after that is Pop.
https://www.interserver.net/tips/kb/6-best-linux-distros-for-gaming-and-playing-windows-games/
N°1 on the List is Pop
Even being generic about best distro for beginners without mentioning gaming at all
https://linuxblog.io/best-linux-distro/
All 3 of them list Pop, so it’s not surprising that someone looks at 6 different sites, sees multiple recommendations, one of which appears in all 6 of them and at the top for gaming specific ones and decides to use it.
You might not like it, you might have issues with it, but to say it’s not widely recommended is disingenuous.
for a moment I’d like to disregard Linux.
fuck this bleached asshole and his bullshit. fuck his viewpoint on unions, fuck his viewpoint on worker rights, fuck his viewpoint on warranties, fuck his missinfo peddling of a company and fuck his company a 2nd time for allowing employee misconduct.
recall when GN called them out on their shit in private but they did not give a fuck? then when they got exposed did they finally get their panties in a knot. any1 else notice the typical corporate response? oh we just had a major controversy? time for the CEO to step down to a totally diff C suite position (trust me bro) and it’ll all blow over.
Linux ain’t the only thing to get bashed by this particular soyboy. any1 watch the GrapheneOS video? don’t bother. the thumbnail still depicts those that use it to be criminals (so did the title b4 they got backlash). I will judge a fucking book by its cover cuz fuck you.
now for our beloved Linux. most of PewDiePie’s career used to be shitposting, but then he built a damn PC and installed Linux on it w/o announcing it. and sm how this corpo cocksucking sleazebag despite being in the industry for alleged 20 yrs doesn’t know jackshit on how to operate a computer running a different operating system? hand me a laptop running FreeBSD and watch me figure that shit out in 3 days w/o having ever used it. oh right he’s a corpo cocksucking sleazebag.
Honey I abused our viewers and they got mad! how entitled! how did the narrative switch against me? do they know how much I’ve sacrificed for this industry? - LS
his viewpoint on unions, fuck his viewpoint on worker rights, fuck his viewpoint on warranties, fuck his missinfo peddling of a company and fuck his company a 2nd time for allowing employee misconduct.
is there a source for this? i remember the sexual harassment allegations got pretty serious, but i think he was supposed to be somewhat sympathetic to unions?
i wouldn’t be surprised, but what happened there exactly?
Linus said that he’d consider it a personal failure on his part if his employees feel they need to unionise to get heard
And the Internet Hate Machine interprets this as LINUS STOMPS UNIONS AND WANTS TO FUCK THEM IN THE ASS. DRY.
Of course any owner who stands to make millions in comparison to his employees wouldn’t want a union, and prefer them to be content with what’s given than to start demanding more pay and less hours.
Can try to pretty it up as if it would mean a personal failure as a boss. But, it really comes down to hoping to play up the good boss angle who cares to avoid the nightmare scenario of having to share more of the money with labor and not wanting to lose leverage that a boss has over labor that isn’t unionized.
No union is more power and more money. That’s the non PR answer without the flowery language.
phrasing, phrasing matters quite a lot. I remember that line being followed up by him stating that he wants the employees to express their concerns instead of outright unionizing. I cannot recall precisely but I do think before all of that he also stated that he feels there exists no need for a union if the workplace is welcoming. I don’t at all remember why the topic was brought up in the first place tho.
As I mentioned in my prev comment I feel that if your employees feel a need to unionize then they’re past civil discussions and also it feels to me like sweeping the incident under the rug so they don’t land in hot water. but perhaps I am too red pilled by the rest of the bs that’s going on.
I can understand why a boss wouldn’t want a union, since it means less power and more money having to be shared with labor. I’d be the same where I wouldn’t want labor to unionize if I had a business, but not deluded enough to think it’s because I care about them that I’d take it as a moral failure if they unionized.
Its because I would prefer to take the position of the benevolent dictator compared to suddenly having the business shift to more of a democracy or republic. So that’s the motivation to be just nice enough for labor to not have thoughts or make moves to take away my power and money.
I guess its why I see through the flowery language. But, no boss would freely admit that so don’t really fault that him too much. But, do hope people see through the PR answer just so they too are aware of what’s actually going on in the minds of people they work for.
sadly I don’t think people see though it, they prefer to make fun anyone reading beyond the flowery language
shut up liberal. you’re turning the frogs gay
As I mentioned in my prev comment I feel that if your employees feel a need to unionize then they’re past civil discussions
Why? Unions are for civil discussion.
I agree, they literally are. but Linus said that he wishes employees personally discuss the matter w him b4 starting a union. which was what I was highlighting. if your employees feel a need to unionize then they’re past civil discussions. does not mean they’re adverse to civil discussions as part of a union tho.
I mean this matter has been settled a century ago, I don’t really think it’s necessary to explain why employees can’t discuss matters with their employers on a level ground
correct. but counter point, if it were settled a century ago then it should be common knowledge. Linus still however believes, out of sheer stupidity or malice, that his employees can discuss matters with him amidst a power gap. this is not the case and which is y I highlighted it.
I don’t really think it’s necessary to explain
disagree. many people still don’t know that they shouldn’t talk to cops w/o a lawyer present. diff nations have diff labor laws and sm outright don’t. so to sm people this might not be as obv.
I’ve never really watched the guy, so I have no dog in this fight. That’s definitely a dumb-as-nails take. Not anything I wouldn’t expect from someone born to moderate wealth running a company, but not especially malicious.
not especially malicious
agreed. I will give him the benefit of the doubt and believe that his intentions were in the right place. he cares for his workers and would feel deeply hurt if they felt a need to unionize as a result of his leadership. I can chuck this up to not being able to express his thoughts at that time in a sanitized manner. recall the time he accidentally said that he used to use the hard R but actually meant the mental hadicap word instead of the N word? he then got corrected by Luke and the producer but damn would that have sunk the boat.
but to not play the devil’s advocate. he is a damn good manipulator.
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he then got corrected by Luke and the producer but damn would that have sunk the boat. forgot to add dis
Being the face of a (multi?)million dollar enterprise AND going live on air once a week without any delay is either really brave or really stupid 😄
I used to be a watcher of the Wan Show and on an episode he stated that if his workers feel a need to unionize then he has failed as a boss. He then stated that they should not unionize and discuss the matter personally with him. The reason I said fuck his viewpoint on worker rights is cuz of the “should not” part. If the employees feel the need to unionize then idt they’re at that state to have a civil discussion when there clearly exists an imbalanced power dynamic. Another reason is ofc he’s trying to keep shit on the hush hush cuz a company that gets hit with a union is gonna be in sm deep shit.
I’m so mad he chose Popos again. I really hope he realises how not for his use case it is and just uses something else for the next videos.
I’m really happy with Luke and Elijah’s distro choice, Bazzite and Cachyos actually seams perfect for each of there use cases.
Also as much as most of us don’t like his content we still need to care about it. Millions of people rely on Linus for his recommendations. He could probably single handedly create the year of the Linux gaming desktop on his own if he gives Linux the thumbs up.
I mean Linus’s windows just completely bug out and he has so many other issues. When is he going to realise that no one else is having these issues. He says he’s cursed but he just keeps on using Popos and he keeps on having problems.
Why do you assume no one else is having those issues? Cosmic is in a terrible state right now.
I mean neither of the other people in the challenge are having issues, because there using Bazzite and Cachyos. Not Popos.
Sorry I didnt realise your “no one else is having these issues” extended to the entire linux space. I’d say thats even more wrong. People are having these kinds of issues on literally every distro. Go into beginner linux spaces and see for yourself. Look at how many people complain about display issues with bazziteKDE its a common issue.
Wow I had no idea.
Also the issue he had with Left4dead is present on every distro. Its an issue with the native linux version of the game being broken and its been unfixed by valve for years.
I really hope he realises how not for his use case it is
Installing a deck verified game with a gold protondb rating and playing it?
I use Fedora and a MacBook Pro and I still had a better time than him.
