Wifi sognals can read my heart rate, and be used to track me around my house. But I still can’t get a signal in my room one floor up from the router.
This is the key point - these have to be clear signals in the same room.
One day, WiFi might even be usable as a method for making a reliable network connection
Just imagine how much humanity could benefit if sharing and accessing knowledge was freely available for almost anyone
The problem is not sharing and accessing, but generating. If we had a system where people would be paid for generating knowledge, then they wouldn’t have to charge for accessing knowledge.
That’s why a lot more research should be paid for by the government. In exchange, government-funded research would be excluded from having patents and/or copyright.
Goverment funded research is paid for my public money via taxes but the research information is not publicly accessible, I can understand this if it’s defense or other secretive research but there is no reason someone should have to pay for access to other research fields information when it is publicly funded
is it not?
Depends on how specific the information is and how well it’s hidden among alternative facts
This is really cool and will be useful. My second thought was oh great now my smart TV can see how excited I am watching their injected ads and how many people saw it too. One of the many reasons to never connect modern TVs to the Internet.
The Paper: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/11096342/metrics#metrics
This is very cool and useful, but at the same time very concerning. While I see a lot of good use cases for this ranging from hospitals to stress recognition in animals I Am also quite scared, that big corporations will use this to spy on us. Luckily currently it is only possible to measure the pulse at about 3m, but it should be possible to increase the range. It may fall short when multiple persons are in detection range, but as far as I have read from the paper they did not test this.
Article is paywalled for me.
Does it describe the methodology of how they use the transmitter and receiver?
What specifically are they transmitting? Is it actually wifi signals within the 802.11 protocols, or is “wifi” just shorthand for emitting radio waves in the same spectrum bands as wifi?
Yeah sadly it is paywalled, but I have been lucky enough to get access to it through my university.
Heres what I found regarding your question in the article:
Fig 1 illustrates Pulse-Fi’s system architecture which consists of three main components: data collection using commodity Wi-Fi devices, a CSI signal processing pipeline, and a custom lightweight Long Short Term Memory neural network for heart rate estimation.
Fig 1:
And this is the Setup they used to collect the ESP-HR-CSI Dataset (left site) and the one that other researchers used to collect the E-Health Dataset (right side):
The parts on how they collected the data:
A. ESP-HR-CSI Dataset
We collected the ESP-HR-CSI dataset from seven participants (5 male, 2 female) in a room of a public indoor library. It was collected using two ESP32 devices, one as the transmitter and the other as the receiver. The sampling rate is 80 Hz, with a 20 MHz bandwidth with 64 subcarriers positioned at different distances. Each participant was measured at distances of 1,2 and 3 m for 5 minutes each. The participants sat in a chair between the devices and wore a pulse oximeter on their finger to collect ground-truth information as seen inB. E-Health Dataset
The E-Health dataset [20] contains CSI collected from 118 participants (88 men, 30 women) in a controlled indoor environment measuring 3 m×4 m (Fig 4). The setup consists of a router set in the 5 GHz band at 80 MHz bandwidth as a transmitter, a laptop as receiver and a single-antenna Raspberry Pi 4B with NEXMON firmware for CSI data collection (234 subcarriers). Participants wore a Samsung Galaxy Watch 4 for the ground truth.Each participant performed 17 standardized positions or activities, with each position held for 60 seconds.
To me it sounds like, that they really just used standard WIFI to collect the data (this is especially true for the E-Health Dataset), since all the processing gets done on the Raspberry Pi.
Sure, everyone is getting spied on by everyone because everyone is so damned important to everyone.
Health data is extremely valuable. You can use it to serve more personalised ads or even use it to, as example, define prices for health insurance. When you combine it with lots of other data it becomes even more valuable. Also never forget, big corporations track literally everything. Why not add your heart rate.
Let’s try again: someone is getting spied on by someone because someone is so damned important to someone. And there’s a lot of someones.
This tech scares the hell out of me.
Great if we can make MRI quality imaging eventually available, but being able to monitor where people are in their homes remotely and their health status in our world is fucking dangerous.
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Damn. “TikTok would like to access WiFi”
We need new permissions for this shit. WiFi can do presence detection and now heart rate? What next? Eye tracking?
Android throttles the hell out of WiFi requests since (I think) Android 9. You need to manually allow WiFi request spamming in developer options to let apps do something like determining location from it.
Maybe not eye tracking, but probably head tracking.
WiFi can also do pretty precise location. Bluetooth/BLE even more precise (inches or less)
I think they mean without a phone. A 2.4ghz radio can be used as a presence detection radar.
It sounds like they’re specifically talking about a phone, making reference to app permissions and TikTok.
I think it can also detect our neural frequencies, aka ‘read our minds’. That’s why we see ads for things we thought about but never even searched for.
Dog… What?
https://www.neurology.columbia.edu/news/mind-reading-technology-can-turn-brain-scans-language
We already live in a world with existing, functional mind-reading devices. There is even a device designed to help people that are suffering from ALS communicate by reading their thoughts, and has a privacy feature where the user can activate and deactivate the device by thinking a password in their mind, in order to allow them to still have private thoughts.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/new-brain-device-is-first-to-read-out-inner-speech/
Phones are not fMRIs though.
Wow, all that with an esp32. No fancy hardware needed.
Capitalism asks whether you are the kind of person harvesting people’s health info without concent or selling aluminum mesh underwear with fearmongering campaign. No other choices.
And I guarantee some organization will figure out how to use this for some police state bullshit.
That’s already the original use case. Cardiac signature biometrics, can install in a doorway and do identity verification and track/monitor every individual that passes through the threshold
People do not have that distinct cardiac ECG profiles, and it would be wrong after one coffee.
Holy shit the US state paranoia in the sub. Buy more guns.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9921530/
I wouldn’t be as sure about that as you are
The article you cite states that accuracy drops to 60% if the enrollment and testing data were collected at different sessions. I imagine the effects of coffee or walking on heart rate would make that even worse.
Oh, the person selling you medical or life insurance is gonna love this…
2026: Major grocers found using customer heart rate to personalise prices - higher the pulse, higher the price
Cool tech but I question it’s usefulness. They focus on clinical in their language but anybody who’s on telemetry orders needs waveforms not beats per minute. I care if they’re suddenly in afib, not that they’re a little tachy after getting up to go to the bathroom.
Well some darker entities probably would appreciate access to this tech. In order to confirm mission complete if you smell what I am cooking.
They mentioned apnea.
Isn’t this no different then a sonogram
3 letter agencies have already been using this for cardiac signature identity verification and tracking for a long while
