If this comes to the US I will trade in my ID.4 for this. Small = sexy.
Hurray another EV that isn’t a sedan, with a stupid name, and is ugly too. Just what the market needs.
Ok mr reviewer
Why don’t you tell us less about WV’s strategy a more about how the car is.
Does it spy on you? What kind of EULA will I need to agree to? Does it have car play/android auto? Does it have a 4G antenna to connect to VW servers even if I don’t enable the feature? Does it have an app? In what ways is VW going to try to get subscription money from me? How much does servicing cost? How much will a set of brake pads cost? Does VW support 3rd party repair shops? Does VW try to lockdown parts and forbid 3rd party repairs? Can it be remotely disabled? By me, by VW, by law enforcement? What happens when the battery needs replacing? What is the visibility like? If it horrible does it have obstable detection?
Does it spy on you?
All new cars do and this one doesn’t even hide it, it’s called “id everyone”.
Do you even need to ask? It’s in the name, ID every1!
Is it just me or is that the worst name for a car in the history of the automobile?
Mazda’s Laputa translates to “the bitch” in Spanish.
There’s also Ford’s Probe…
But yeah ID.EVERY1 is a mediocre name.
It’s much worse than that. Perra means bitch but puta is closer to prostitute. Lol
Also, marica, moco, pajero, borrego… there is like a competition
Launches in 2027 lmao
By that time Chinese evs will be flying or smt
They should produce a Beetle EV.
The Volkswagen Bug Zapper.
Beetle EV
The Karmann Ghia EV conversions are stunning. Go see the most gorgeous thing VW ever made do 0-60 in 3 seconds.
So, as someone who drove three different classic beetles in the past, you know the KG is still my vote.
They’ve gone out of their way to avoid showing the hatch opened. From the pictures they DO have there, it appears the hatch opening area is borderline useless. My question is WHY?
There are already affordable EVs in Europe, as an example the Dacia Spring which has the same 230km autonomy and even lower price (18-19.000€ retail final price to consumer in Portugal which has high taxes on new vehicles).
Not as snazzy looking though, that’s what’s really important! /s
It’d be a decent deal now, but this launches in 2027, by which point this would be underwhelming.
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There are currently no plans to ship this (or the slightly larger longer range model) in the US. 🙄
I rather buy another Korean or Japanese car. As an European except for the electric r5 I have no interest in European car makers, much less from a company that should have disappeared after dieselgate.
I don’t mean to be an apologist for dieselgate - I’m not, it was scummy and I’m glad VW execs ended up in prison - but all carmakers had illegally high diesel emissions.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_emissions_scandal
VW weren’t even close to the worst for it, either. Fiat, Hyundai, and Renault-Nissan (they partner for engine designs a lot) were the worst, VW was bizarrely one of the least over the legal limit for most engine designs.
We just affiliate it with VW more because they were not only the first to be tested, but the VW executives admitted to using cheat devices, whereas most others denied it. VW took the fall for an entire shady industry.
I don’t get thesr automakers, who is this made for, don’t they see that tesla is killing it with their largr batteries. Why can’t they put a 600miles battery with 2 motors for awd, get some fake noises/feels when changing gears, get some smaller rims with more rubber and put the best brake system for an 18" wheel - which I think is the Brembo Sensify. Keep the physical buttons for important features for easy access, add a huge lcd panel for navigation and include carplay/android auto wirelessly - done deal. Make it cost as much as a full blown tesla model s and call it a day - you just stole 90% of the market. Add quick charging system and then you just gotta start building better charging stations.
Wait tesla is killing them and if it wasn’t for Musk going full adolf, he could have had the universal people’s car.
Why can’t they put a 600miles battery with 2 motors for awd
They do that for more expensive models.
The advantage of small batteries is higher efficiency and more range per charge hour in addition to a cheaper car.
Well this car is for people who don’t want to spend the kind of money you need to spend on a Tesla. This one is supposed to be cheaper than the Model 3. Also the car you described exists. Porsche, Mercedes and Lotus are selling Model S competitors. The only reason why people drive Model S here in Europe is because Tesla had first mover advantage. Not because they are great cars. People buy them nowadays because a huge supply has hit the used market.
EVs don’t need fancy brakes because they use regenerative braking.
I am not sure that in EU you can omologate a car wihout classic brakes.
There’s that, but the problem is weight, with a 600mile range battery it’s gonna be a heavy car, with small 18 inch tires and more rubber to make the ride softer you can’t fit large piston brakes, so you need to make changes to improve the overall experience - think about a system that stops a small EV with the weight of a large SUV faster than a sports car. It would make for an amazing driving experience as EVs have great acceleration, just not the best weight balance, even though it’s mostly kept to the floor for a lower point of gravity. Not to mention you would be saving lives in the case of an accident.
I don’t get thesr automakers, who is this made for, don’t they see that tesla is killing it with their largr batteries.
It is made for people living in places where you maybe don’t need to drive 50 miles to go to the nearest mall… a car with 600 miles autonomy would be an overkill if you just need to drive about 10/20 miles a day while commuting.
Why can’t they put a 600miles battery
because they are useless for the target market.
If you don’t need to drive that long distance for everything, you don’t need big batteries with all the associate problems (weight, dimension and so on) that in the end don’t give you any real bonus if not the fact that maybe you can recharge it less often.The problem is that the battery degrades, so it’s a good idea to keep it charges to 60-80% so that it last way longer. If you have 600 miles of max range then that means you can easily have 360-480 miles for your driving. This is overkill as well right ? Wrong, if you live in a cold climate it practically gets halved so now you have 180-240 miles of driving.
Let’s say it’s summer though, now you want to drive 600 miles to your nearest ocean/sea and want to sightsee along the way. With a battery that big you might have to charge once and not even fully to have enough confidence driving to places where charging might be limited.
That’s why smaller batteries make sense only if you use the car for daily commuting, now you need to rent or buy a proper long range gas car or ev car - which now costs you quite a bit more or adds inconvenience. With tesla the problem is almost solved, but they have problematic political views and minimalistic interiors and a max battery of 402 miles. So yeah I think it’s worth it to make a car that costs 3x what VW are pushing, but is useful to everybody.
The problem is that the battery degrades, so it’s a good idea to keep it charges to 60-80% so that it last way longer. If you have 600 miles of max range then that means you can easily have 360-480 miles for your driving. This is overkill as well right ? Wrong, if you live in a cold climate it practically gets halved so now you have 180-240 miles of driving.
Fine, but you still fail to look how the car is used. A battery that big also mean more weight (and thus more energy needed) and it can make sense if you use the car almost always for longer trips. For shorter drive it make more sense to have a smaller battery and recharge more often.,
Let’s say it’s summer though, now you want to drive 600 miles to your nearest ocean/sea and want to sightsee along the way.
Here you fail to consider the target market. EU and US are very different geographically. In US a car with bigger batteries can make sense, in EU probably not that much.
VW simply design a car for the market where they want to sell it, which make sense in my opinion.With a battery that big you might have to charge once and not even fully to have enough confidence driving to places where charging might be limited.
That would be a problem anyway, with limited charging options you could arrive at the sea but then have problem returning home (but this is a problem that is slowly going away)
That’s why smaller batteries make sense only if you use the car for daily commuting, now you need to rent or buy a proper long range gas car or ev car - which now costs you quite a bit more or adds inconvenience. With tesla the problem is almost solved, but they have problematic political views and minimalistic interiors and a max battery of 402 miles. So yeah I think it’s worth it to make a car that costs 3x what VW are pushing, but is useful to everybody.
I don’t know how may miles you need to drive for your daily commute that need to have such big battery but in the supposed target market of the VW even a 180 miles battery can easily cover your weekly commuting.
So yes, you are right that a bigger battery is usefull but it really depend on where you plan to sell your car. Not everywhere you need that kind of mileage daily and you need also to consider other factors like the weight and size of the car.
You are correct on many of those points. But lets look for edge cases - people living in apartments, they can’t charge their cars when there are no garages, so they need to do what normal people do with gas cars - go to the gas station to charge. So if you have a 600 miles car and drive 35 miles per day that’s enough to supercharge once per week for 30+ minutes and be good for the rest of the week - good for the battery, good for wait times, good for not pissing off the person buying the car as they don’t have to waste multiple hours per week.
If your point is that it’s inneficient to carry heavy batteries around I would agree, but isn’t it less efficient to use gas, to have 2 cars instead of 1, to have to rent a car, etc. I think it balances out and with new battery technology you’ll see that they’ll start competing more fiercely with range, but there is a sweet spot and I think it’s 600 miles, if the battery drain is not affected by cold/hot weather 360 miles would be a good sweetspot.
I hope the market appreciates this new model, but highly doubt it - most of the other things I suggested in the original post also affect if the buyer would decide to spend their money on the car. I don’t think it’s unrealistic for VW/Audi to make something like this at a competitive price of $120k - same as the starting price for a BMW M5.
