• @communism@lemmy.ml
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    229 months ago

    Everyone who disagrees with me is a paid russian troll of course. Nobody would oppose blacklisting people based on nothing but their nationality unless they were getting paid for it.

    • @hitwright@lemmy.world
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      -19 months ago

      I guess it’s difficult to otherwise explain the position you have? It’s not like people face criminal charges in Russia just for speaking against it. It’s easy to see how the state would want to introduce backdoors to most western systems.

      It’s extremely sad that a lot of good Russians get swooped in this. But even abroad their lives are in danger to fight the state.

      • ghu
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        159 months ago

        I doubt if someone wants to introduce a backdoor, they would do that with a russian mailing address. People removed were open and transparent about their nationalities which means there is even less chance them being bad actors than some random guy pretending to be American.

        • @hitwright@lemmy.world
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          79 months ago

          Aren’t the removed commiters with direct access to the kernel? It’s not like it’s some rando that makes pull requests.

      • davel [he/him]
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        -19 months ago

        I think you’re making up a world in your head. Who are these “lots” of “good” Russians who are abroad and whose lives are in realistically danger of state assassination? Not that it has never happened, but you’re blowing things out of proportion. Probably Russia does it at a scale roughly similar to the US.

        • @LeFantome@programming.dev
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          Very nice link that not only does not have a list of names but also fairly explicitly explains that it is not talking about Americans killing Americans.

          I am not going to spend more than 30 seconds on it but here is the first list of “lots” of Russians that are believed to have been assassinated by their own government.

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_notable_Russians_in_2022–2024

          Despite your personal attacks, the trivially discoverable facts are not on your side.

          I used Wikipedia since you apparently find it credible.

          My favourite “suicide” of a notable Russian in the last couple of years was the one that had a suicide note signed by “illegible signature” ( what it actually said ). I guess the FSB did not totally understand the instructions.

          Indeed A LOT of falling out of windows. Quite a bit of poisoning as well. These are the successful ones. How about that time they poisoned the entire Ukrainian peace team including the owner of the Chelsea Football Club?

    • @Vilian@lemmy.ca
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      That’s true, as he said just use your brain, Russia is under sanctions he literally said that, so Russian troll is a actually very accuracy

  • @InverseParallax@lemmy.world
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    299 months ago

    As to sending me a revert patch - please use whatever mush you call brains. I’m Finnish. Did you think I’d be supporting Russian aggression? Apparently it’s not just lack of real news, it’s lack of history knowledge too."

    Peska perkele right up your asses, Russian trolls.

  • @ouch@lemmy.world
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    339 months ago

    As a finn, I understand that there are probably legal reasons for doing this.

    I just wish they would be transparent and share those reasons with us. The Linux kernel is certainly not the only free software project that is impacted, if this comes straight from EU/US sanctions. Maintainers of other projects have a lot of interest in what is happening.

    Transparency is also important because if EU/US policy/sanctions are causing issues for free software projects, then that discussion needs to be public, so that there is a chance to amend the policies if necessary.

    • @sudo@programming.dev
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      39 months ago

      The legal reasons was because the Linux Foundation is based in the USA and the targeted devs worked for companies explicitly sanctioned by the USA. Linus said he knew and trusted the devs he was forced to delist.

      The Linux Foundation needs to relocate to some stable neutral country like Switzerland.

  • @electricprism@lemmy.ml
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    “Have we become so fearful? Have we become so cowardly That we must extinguish a man because he carries the blood of a current enemy?”

    • Picard, Star Trek TNG
      • @gnuhaut@lemmy.ml
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        19 months ago

        How does this prevent the Russians from accessing sensitive technology? Oh it doesn’t! It just excludes them from contributing to Linux, not from using it.

        Accusing others from “arguing in bad faith” are we?

  • @Mihies@programming.dev
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    149 months ago

    I’d really like to see the criteria for delisting people, though. As Russia is not the only one waging wars, there are worse countries out there. I guess it all boils down to Linus being from Finland.

    • @Alsephina@lemmy.ml
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      129 months ago

      Yeah the kernel might end up being forked if this shit keeps going. Sanctions affecting open source software like this was not something I expected…

    • @Phoenix3875@lemmy.world
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      29 months ago

      An update:

      If your company is on the U.S. OFAC SDN lists, subject to an OFAC sanctions program, or owned/controlled by a company on the list, our ability to collaborate with you will be subject to restrictions, and you cannot be in the MAINTAINERS file.

      (direct link)

      • @Mihies@programming.dev
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        19 months ago

        That sounds like an advice, not something official? Also why is an open source project affected by US sanctions? It’s not an US open source project, or is it?

        • @Phoenix3875@lemmy.world
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          29 months ago

          Linux Foundation (of which Linus is an employee) is an US entity. RISC-V International foresaw this and chose to incorporate in Switzerland.

          • @Mihies@programming.dev
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            19 months ago

            But does it mean they own Linux? They list (support I guess) a lot of projects, including RISC-V. BTW smart move from RISC-V

  • @somegeek@programming.dev
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    One of the worst news I’ve read lately.

    Why aren’t Israeli maintainers removed? Oh because linux is basically owned by IBM now.

    The linux kernel isn’t free anymore. It’s open source, but not free.

  • @NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml
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    79 months ago

    He alludes to sanctions being a factor but never clarifies on advice from his lawyers. ngl I don’t like the look of it just from a transparency perspective.

  • The Menemen
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    139 months ago

    Man, I wish he’d leave the communication to someone else. He is so, so bad at it. And this isn’t the first time

    The way he attacks critics puts himself in a bad light. But much more importantly, I read this and am still unsure if he has administrative/legal reason, security reasons or political reasons…

    If I’d work in Russian propaganda, I’d love this so much. Hope this will not cause disruption in the community.

    • @selokichtli@lemmy.ml
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      29 months ago

      It is inherently disruptive. And “knowing” Linus, if he apologizes for the communication, it won’t come soon enough.

        • Not at all true. If you’re referencing US ideologies of Capitalism, holy shit are you wrong and read the wrong Wikipedia.

          In fact, the Democrats since the 60’s have run campaigns WAY against the threat of late-stage Capitalism. Republicans are the pro-capitalist party in the sense they want to privatize everything and help their friends, and also “deregulate” anything and everything.

          These are anti-capitalist ideas.

          Come on back with some more Wiki links, good buddy.

          • @TheOubliette@lemmy.ml
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            Not at all true. If you’re referencing US ideologies of Capitalism, holy shit are you wrong and read the wrong Wikipedia.

            I am quite correct, though I am referring to liberalism in the general internationa sense. This is what liberalism always has been. You must understand it as what it is and has done, not what it tells you it is meant to be. As Stafford Beer said, it makes no sense to think that the purpose of something is what it consistently fails to do. The liberalism of the enlightenment had in its right hand brutal, racist colonial exploitation and in its left a ruthless industrial revolution chaining the people to factories and removing them from all commond and property. It is a product of capitalism itself.

            In fact, the Democrats since the 60’s have run campaigns WAY against the threat of late-stage Capitalism.

            The Democrats are a capitalist party and always have been. They do not work against capitalism at all, they support it and protect it. There is really such thing as late-stage capitalism, it is just capitalism developing over time, retaining most of its qualities but taking on new angles. Buy if it does mean anything, it means neoliberalism wrought by financialization, and that is Democrats’ main political base. It’s their main thing, especially as an export.

            Republicans are the pro-capitalist party in the sense they want to privatize everything and help their friends

            Democrats also do this they just tell you it is efficiency and “public-private partnerships” and “a generous endowment to a public institution” (that they can now defund). The charter school movement is largely Democrats, for example. They simply have different factions on their chopping block, different groups to pander to.

            These are anti-capitalist ideas.

            What ideas are anti-capitalist? I didn’t see any.

            Come on back with some more Wiki links, good buddy.

            No thanks. Read the political philosophers of the enlightenment, colonialism, industrialization and proletarianizatikn, the liberal revolutions in Europe, and who emerged to identify themselves as anti-liberal once those revolutions established their ideologies as mainstream, namely monarchists, fascists, socialists, and anarchists. You cannot gain a political education through Wikipedia, it is a Cliffs Notes approach to social topics often written by often incorrect or heavily propagandized (or propagandist!) People, including literal Nazi apologists.

          • @Grapho@lemmy.ml
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            69 months ago

            In fact, the Democrats since the 60’s have run campaigns WAY against the threat of late-stage Capitalism.

            Bruh what world are you living in lmao. Obama reached to bankers uncaringly tanking the global economy by giving them money to do with as they wished (and, as always, they wished to give themselves a bonus).

    • mihor
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      139 months ago

      No, it’s not good, it’s blatantly russophobic.

      I would get it if he would have simply stated that the Linux Foundation needs to abide by the sanctions, pretty much what GKH had said. But for Linus to go ahead with his stupid russophobic rant about Russian bot farms (LOL) is really too much.