TL;DR: I wonder why we always have the same 2 posts as top posts of the day. They appear a bit unnecessary and mildly annoying to me.
Do you think the same? Or do you like them, and can explain me why, so I can change my view?
Please don’t just blindly downvote, writing this post took a lot of time. And if you feel the need to do it anyway, tell me why first.


Maybe I am the only person who thinks that.
I probably am, at least according to numbers.

Basically, I’ve got the feeling that every top post of the day for the last weeks is something like “I’ve freed myself from evil Windows’ shackles and finally switched to Linux.”, or “What distro do you recommend?”.

Don’t get me wrong.
I feel super happy for every newcomer discovering the wonderful world of Linux and FOSS.
I, just like most others here, always try to help them in finding their right distro and guiding them in their first steps.
We all have been there.
And I’m super proud of us all, as a community, that we happily embrace every new member. We definitely have to keep that behaviour, it’s what connects us and makes us strong.

I just think we should redirect them a bit onto the specific communities.
Not by banning or censoring, just as friendly reminder, e.g. by a sticky post, comments like “Hey, check out !linux4noobs@lemmy.world” or something else.

It doesn’t help much if there are the same threads every day, with people circlejerking on hating Windows and recommending Mint a hundred times, just like 100 people before did on the same thread.

I hate Windows too, but it feels like we’re identifying and comparing ourselves with the bitter ex-partner we had a while ago. No, not being Windows shouldn’t be the main reason Linux is great.
There are so many great posts and discussions, that are all going missing in this swamp of “Winblows bad, hehe”.
We should focus on what makes our software great, and not what the “bad ex-partner” did wrong.

Same with newcomer posts.
I think if the posters get redirected to the correct sub, they will receive more help, since the people partaking in the community are there because they wanna see exactly that.


At the same time, I’m afraid this would undermine our openness and friendliness of this community, and result in being as shitty as Reddits’ sub.

!Just as an anecdote, when I was a noob, I posted a question there, and, like 5 minutes later, I got a dozen of non-constructive, offensive comments. 10 minutes later, my post got removed. This was my first contact to the Linux world btw. Guess who switched back to Windows for another half year because of that?
We have to prevent this at any costs.
Anyway… !<


I really enjoy this community here and wanna keep it this great.
I just wanted to ask you, what you think about those everyday-top-posts.
If you like them, please try to change my mind and explain me why :)


Edit/ Additional stuff/ Learnings:

  • I don’t hate those “I switched to Linux”-posts, just to clarify. They’re fine for me, they just feel like white noise. But I’ve read many times in this thread that a lot of people enjoy those posts. If that’s the case, I’m totally fine! :)
  • I think putting those posts in a weekly sticky thread could be worth an idea? Then everyone could describe their experience of this week of switching from one distro to another, e.g. “My first week of Gentoo” or something like this. Would be an interesting read for everyone.
  • I also believe those “Fuck Windows”-posts can be kind of therapeutic for some people, since Windows became really shitty and annoying in the last years. And when you feel the relieve from finally getting rid of it, you tell that everyone. Understandable.
  • Splitting the community isn’t the best idea too. We can always learn from each other and I like the diversity of this community.
  • Thank you for your kind and constructive answers! ✌️
  • @A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world
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    71 year ago

    Thanks for putting the TL;DR at the top instead of at the bottom where I’ll never see it because I already decided not to read

  • Heratiki
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    01 year ago

    The F Windows posts are great and can be very therapeutic. But guaranteed those users haven’t issued a command that accidentally wipes out their entire drive accidentally. Or they haven’t had their Window Manager just up and decide it doesn’t feel like working anymore because of an update.

    I work with Linux a lot simply because of my 3D printers and I love it. But being on a community driven edge can be a nightmare sometimes when something updates and you’ve got to track down the problem. For me that’s half the fun since I usually get to help someone else out with the same issue.

    • Cosmic Cleric
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      11 year ago

      But guaranteed those users haven’t issued a command that accidentally wipes out their entire drive accidentally.

      Really?

      Yeah, I can see the horde of Mint, PopOS, and a Ubuntu users running towards that command line prompt. /s

      • Heratiki
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        11 year ago

        I meant it more as an inexperienced Linux user having to fix something and inadvertently causing havoc more so than drive wiping.

  • @Crashumbc@lemmy.world
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    91 year ago

    I find them mildly annoying, but generally tune them out.

    The offensive responses, are much worse. Linux users can VERY much be a “boys club” and treat newcomers as lower life forms.

    • Cosmic Cleric
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      01 year ago

      Linux users can VERY much be a “boys club” and treat newcomers as lower life forms.

      I mean, the OP linked to the Linux beginners forum in their comment, so it can’t be that much of a boys club.

    • R0cket_M00se
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      31 year ago

      The issue is if you tune them out what’s left? It’s most of the content here.

      Hell just the other day there was a “what new tech thing have you done this year?” And 95% of the responses were just some variation of “Installed Mint/PopOS!/Endeavour and started using Firefox.”

      Like it’s great that you’re making the transition, but I was hoping to hear what new self hosting service people got working on their home server, some new residential network installs for security platforms, etc.

      Not just “I changed browsers.”

  • Cosmic Cleric
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    1 year ago

    Responding with a meta level tangent comment, but I can’t help feeling that when I read these type of comments that it’s just Microsoft astroturfing, trying to shape the narrative away from migration to Linux.

    Especially when you see those “I still can’t get my favorite single game that uses anti-cheat tech or strange peripheral to work with Linux, so Linux sucks for all gaming” posts.

    Just kind of seems like there’s this stealthy narrative warfare going on.

    • @Guenther_Amanita@feddit.deOP
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      1 year ago

      Dang it, you got me!

      Just kidding 🙃
      I get why you think about that. I sometimes enjoy thinking about “conspiracies” like those too.
      Especially with the rise of LLMs and bots, it doesn’t sound unrealistic tbh.

      On the other hand, I don’t believe MS does care about us at all, or at least that much.
      Years ago, yes. But they’re really good at their “Embrace, extend and extinguish” practice. They “love” Linux now, don’t forget that. Home users leaving Windows isn’t that big of a problem for them, as long as we continue using their services, like Edge, Outlook and Teams.
      The MS ecosystem also dominates the business world and won’t get replaced anytime soon, and this field is where the paying customers are.


      About the fake-accounts: if I’m not certain if I am reading a troll post, checking the profile helps.
      For example, I’m a mod of some communities, have a very long and extensive post- and comment history, and behave like a human would (which basically means I’m very dumb sometimes 🌝).
      So, the chances of me being a troll from Microsoft is there, but slim.

      I have to admit: I was the same as the example from you in my beginning times.
      Here’s my story if you wanna read it:

      !I have never worked with IT things 3 years ago when I started, it was all new for me. I didn’t even find the download-button on GitHub.
      But, dumb ass me, tried to install Arch (iirc) on a fucking Microsoft Surface tablet. Of course that didn’t work.
      Then Manjaro, Fedora, Mint, ElementaryOS, and 10 other distros. I spent about 3 weekends burning USB sticks and installing distros.
      Just because it didn’t work ootb. Of course it didn’t because I needed the surface-linux-kernel.
      I can’t (couldn’t) deal with frustration (at that time) and posted a “I’ll go back to Windows” on Reddit because I was so fed up.
      I’m still incredibly thankful for that one person that therapeutically asked me many questions on why and guided me step by step.
      “Now, type in git clone xx && chmod xx. What’s the result?”, “Oh, you forgot sudo, try it again”, etc… !<

      !He talked to me like a he would explain it to a 5 year old, but that was what I needed.
      Somehow we got it working together after a few hours of troubleshooting, even though my frustrated dumbass failed in basically every task, including breathing.
      I still can’t explain how he got the patience for that. !<

      !I cried out of happiness and used the device for 2 more years because of that.
      It was probably this one person that helped me stay on Linux, and I’ll never forget that.!<

      I want to be the same as this mentor, and I think just offering frustrated noobs a helping hand and open ear will help a lot.
      Being unconventionally/ unfittingly friendly can open many doors! They often need some type of vent, and if it helps them feeling better, great! Post like those usually don’t get much attention anyway, so I think the risk of them turning someone else off Linux is not that high.

      • Cosmic Cleric
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        I get why you think about that. I sometimes enjoy thinking about “conspiracies” like those too.

        Truthfully, your response was WAY too weirdly (no disrespect meant) verbose to reply to (apologies), but I did want to reply to this one point, that I’ve quoted above.

        I truly don’t think it’s a ““conspiracy””, I think that really happens today.

        I think there is a stealthy warfare of the management of the narrative that goes on between corporations and regular people/customers, especially when it comes to protecting their businesses, their profits, and their products. Astroturfing, etc.

        I don’t believe it’s ‘tinfoil hat time’ (my phrasing, not yours) to express such a thing. I think its just acknowledging that such a thing truly exists, because any corporation would be foolish not to take advantage of the tools available to them to maximize their success/profits (unfortunately, even if it trashes the country).

  • @corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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    01 year ago

    Yes.

    These posts are the “I voted for peace” decorative lapel button of the '60s and '70s. These posts were the leading edge in the '90s and a little of the '00s.

    Now they’re tiresome. It’s like people who’ve come late to the party and want their fanfare; people who came last in the race and proclaim themselves the leaders. The race is over, the banners are down, the spotlight’s off and the newsmedia’s gone home. No need to proclaim victory, nor virtue-signal inclusion in a group that isn’t exclusive.

    • @Guenther_Amanita@feddit.deOP
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      1 year ago

      If your assumption is true, then I feel really sorry for those posters, really.

      Getting many upvotes should only be a sign of “This post is relevant for many people”, not “Many like it”.
      The up- and downvote system is supposed to be a filter, not a like- or opinion system.
      And, even if account karma really exists, then it still doesn’t mean anything.
      I also had many posts/ comments that got negative votes, and I would never have thought about deleting them, except if I accidentally hurt someone with them and someone notified me of that.
      Otherwise, I stand to my opinion and/ or use the edit function to add my changed stance.

      You think a post or comment should be higher up, because it’s useful or OP put a lot of work into writing it? Upvote.
      Post has no relevance (for no one, not only you) and isn’t worth seeing? Downvote.

      I constantly upvote stuff I don’t even care about or that I see controversial, just because OP took a lot of time.
      At the same time, comments like “This!” and other Reddit-ish comments and post are instantly downvoted because they neither promote discussion nor relevance.

  • youmaynotknow
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    11 year ago

    Uff, where to start? I’m slit 50/50 on your view. I think you’re absolutely right that the best option would be a sticky saying something along the lines of “welcome to a new and better life of freedom. We’re here to help you. Please start by reading (whatever sticky post to make them feel welcome and give them a jump start), and we look forward to evolving towards full cyber freedom together”.

    And I agree that, some times, we can be a bit vexing to newcomers. Having said that, most, if not all of us, have been that newcomer all too happy to notify everyone that “I’ve finally gotten free of the poisonous claws of the devil, Microshot”. So, I also understand why people would do that. I was there once, and was so happy I switched, I wanted to put an ad on Cable TV and every newspaper and magazine in the world for every creature to know.

    After a while, I still blast windows every now and then, but inly to die-hand windows advocates.

    Having said that, the sticky is just one of many potential options to curb these posts, but they will never cease to happen. As I said, the feeling is so awesome that lots of us just want to scream it to the top of our lungs.

    Is it a bit annoying to see that every time you come in here there are 10 new posts with the exact same thing? Yes, sometimes it is. But it’s also true that I enjoy it when I see another person finally managing to open their eyes and risk having to learn something new, different to the only thing they’ve know probably for years or even decades. This helps put Gnu-Linux on the map of developers, which in turn can attract more people, so, full-circle benefit.

    I can’t think of any options right now, but when I feel a bit annoyed by it, I just move on and keep browsing for what actually interests me at the moment. Other times, I may actually upvote, reply while congratulating and letting them know we’re here to help navigate these new waters, and share a few tutorials, options and all that good stuff.

    At the end of the day I think it all boils down to each of our moods the moment we see those. My mood towards them is pretty “bipolar”, to say the least, lol.

  • Rentlar
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    211 year ago

    Idk, I try to be there to cheer on people that make the switch and post about it.

    I get that the same type of thread several times a week is annoying. However, sometimes I think there is stuff to learn/remember about people switching over now, since there are things I would have long forgotten/gotten used to since initially switching 8-ish years ago, the new user experience is valuable and important to get feedback to help more people transition better.

    • @CaptKoala@lemmy.ml
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      41 year ago

      As someone who recently made the switch (without posting about it woohoo!), I’ve found more information across the clone posts than in any one thread, I second the megathread idea mentioned above.

      I’ve made a few comments regarding distros/switching on many of the aforementioned posts and I would happily dig them up and repost them as a comment on a megathread, on the slim chance my experience helps smooth out the entry for others.

  • @doingless@lemmy.world
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    11 year ago

    I’m working on phasing out windows in my office as much as I can entirely because of the end of win10 and the dumb requirements of windows 11. I’m still running it on my main home PC though because I’m insanely busy and like to game for like 5-10 hours a week and and want to spend zero hours getting games to run. If I buy a game on steam and it doesn’t work I instantly I refund it even if I could probably figure it out.

  • TheHarpyEagle
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    Thing is, I don’t know what else you’d really post here. Linux is an OS (don’t get pedantic with me), there’s only so much to talk about other than using it for the first time or getting recommendations on distros/desktop environments/apps/hardware/etc. There’s always something going on with Linux, but most of it is specific to one distro/desktop environment so people will probably go to forums for those specific things to discuss them.

    Also, yeah he threads are pretty tired for people who have been here even for just a few months, but for the people switching over, it’s all brand new. They want to talk about their experience and I can’t really blame them. Maybe there should be megathread as suggested elsewhere.

    What would you like to see posted? What could give this community more of a direction?

      • wuphysics87
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        101 year ago

        This copy pasta needs to die. We all know what he meant with ‘Don’t be pedantic’

    • @Papanca@lemmy.world
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      31 year ago

      What i really would love are tips and tricks. I remember another community that started doing that, but after a few times they stopped. Very frustrating, because it was quite interesting to read.

      I also like all kinds of discussions about why one chooses this or that terminal, or why they choose flatpak over certain repositories. Discussions about what went wrong and how they solved it (because then you learn where you need to look for issues and what people need to know from you to be able to help out).

      Experiences from newbies are nice too; what distro did they choose and did they run into issues.

      Sharing interesting websites would be nice as well.

      Just some thoughts.

  • @pixelscript@lemmy.ml
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    61 year ago

    I don’t really mind either way whether these posts are allowed to remain or should be culled.

    If you keep them around, they will just keep shitting up the feed. The overall browsing quality of the community goes down, hindering the user experience. I don’t think it’s uncontroversial to say these posts have next to no value; they’re essentially equivalent to birthday notifications or “I voted” stickers. Like… congrats! You and everyone else! Now what? Where’s the discussion here?

    On the other hand, I do want to think thrice about controlling this with moderation. All too often on Reddit I’ve see the trope of a sub that appears to be crawling, and you get the idea to join in with an enthusiastic post, only to get removedsmacked by automod because you posted this on the wrong day of the week, or this post type is outright banned because the community is sick of seeing it. It’s sensible, yes. But ugh, what a demoralizing filter for newcomers. Overly curated subs/communities are not public forums, they are increasingly impenetrable cliques. That may not necessarily be a bad thing if we think the tradeoff is worth it. But we have to keep in mind what we become when we make that trade.

    The one thing I will say willl absolutely not help anything at all is making a designated containment community for this specific kind of post. The whole complaint here is rooted in there being no discussion value for these types of posts. You think a community comprised entirely of those would be a community anyone would want to post in? It’d largely be the Lemmy equivalent of a donotreply@ email address. A dumping ground where unwanted posts go to die. And I don’t know about anyone else, but somehow I find being directed to a designated dead-end forum by mods is an even bigger slap to the face than simply having my post removed.