• ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    To my fellow Europeans, this is the reason why we need an EU army. Once Russia attacks one of us, do you really think these clowns will come to our rescue?

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      This just means that the EU is paying for the weapons that the US is sending. Correct me if I am wrong but the US is still doing reconnaissance and they still have their officers in Wiesbaden supporting Ukraine.

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        The problem is that is money going out of the defence budget away from domestic and independent military funding, towards the Americans and their illegal raids on other nations. Understand me correctly, good riddance to Maduro and Chamenei, but they were removed because they were unpractical for American interests, with this money we are supporting their raids. The Iran war shows what arrogance and incompetence of the Americans can do to the Europeans because Europe outsourced all of its energy. We let ourselves get blackmailed and the only way we can stop that is by building security that is under our control.

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          We are not dependent on the middle east for our energy but oil is traded globally. Even the Americans pay more despite exporting oil. Anyways we will always depend on foreign resources no matter the size of our army.

          I doubt that we can get independent from the US anyway. The drones, robot and AI technology is in the hand of the US and the CPUs and GPUs as well, or in the hands of their allies. The US have managed to put the EU in a position that the EU cannot avoid paying for the wars.

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            If we get rid of oil and gas, we couldn’t care less how ridiculously expensive it is globally. That’s why renewable energies are doubly important.

            Drones are already being manufactured in mass by many companies, especially in the Baltic countries and in Finland. We also have companies that produce processors, although not for private customers. And everyone’s favourite example, ASML. No ASML, no NVIDIA, AMD, Intel, or even TSMC.

            Things could always be better, but only because we won’t ever be 100% independent doesn’t mean that we should just give up. 90% independent is still better than 0%. As a taxpayer, I am sick and tired of giving the Americans my money. How about we take all of this money and do something productive with it?

            Edit: on Mars -> in mass

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              If we get rid of oil and gas, we couldn’t care less how ridiculously expensive it is globally. That’s why renewable energies are doubly important

              Unluckily not every use of oil can be replaced with renewwable sources, from oil you get a lot more than gasoline and petrol.

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                Yes, we do need oil for other very valuable things. So why are we setting it on fire? We have better alternatives for transportation and fuel.

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                  So why are we setting it on fire?

                  Because we have not a better alternatives. EV cars are nice, but you need to be able to charge them everywhere and that is still not true (leaving aside the time to recharge since it can be at night) especially in older apartment buildings or homes. Not taking into consideration the ones who would oppose the installation of charger just because. And you need to produce the electricity to charge them.

                  We have better alternatives for transportation and fuel.

                  In the big cities yes, you have a (somewhat) decent public transportation system as alternative.
                  In a small town any sort public transportation system would be not cost-effective and not time-effective.

                  When the time you spend to commute daily using a public transportation system is longer than the one with the car, the car is the obvious choice with all its problems.
                  But even leaving aside the commute to work problem, solvable working from home, a small town has not all the services (like higher grade schools, hospitals, malls, specifics shops) you need and while sometimes you can use a train or a bus, most of the time using a car is way faster.

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              How about we take all of this money and do something productive with it?

              How do you get access? The media is US friendly and thus also the politicians.

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                Stopping to pay the Americans for defence and LNG are a start, because this money can then be productively used inside of the European household, to advance domestic energy production or modernise railway, for example.

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                  But we need LNG and weapons for Ukraine now. And it’s the decision of politicians who support US politics. People say Trump is the reason for US behaviour but I think the US expected the rift years ago and prepared.

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    I’ve been telling people about Trump’s being Putin’s, NOT Ukraine’s, OR NATO’s, ally, for years ( not necessarily here, but in RL ).

    This was easily forseeable.

    Coulda invested in mitigating the consequences…

    Trump’s breaking of NATO comes next, after his dictatorship, when he annexes Canada.

    Enjoy the weekend…

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