May be a mean sounding question, but I’m genuinely wondering why people would choose Arch/Endevour/whatever (NOT on steam hardware) over another all-in-one distro related to Fedora or Ubuntu. Is it shown that there are significant performance benefits to installing daemons and utilities à la carte? Is there something else I’m missing? Is it because arch users are enthusiasts that enjoy trying to optimize their system?

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    The short answer is because I’m lazy. I might lose 30 min during the system setup instead of 20, and now I have a system that I don’t have to worry about until the hardware gives up.

    Arch is a rolling release distro, which means it’s unstable, which doesn’t mean what you think, instead it means that you can update your system indefinitely without worrying about “versions”. For example, if you had Ubuntu 20.04 installed on your server, in may you had to update it to 24.04, and that’s something that can cause issues. And in 2029 you’ll need to go through that again. Arch is just constant updates without having that worry. Which means no library is safe from updates, ergo unstable.

    Also the AUR is huge, and I’m a lazy ass who likes to just be able to install stuff without having to add PPAs or installing stuff by hand.

    Also there’s the whole customize the system, I use a very particular set of programs that just won’t come pre installed anywhere, so any system that comes with their own stuff will leave me in a system with double the amount of programs for most stuff which is just wasteful.

    Finally there’s the wiki, while the vast majority of what’s there serves you in other systems, if you’re running Arch it’s wonderful, it even lists the packages you need to install to solve specific errors.

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    Honestly, in the long term it has been less effort.

    If you’re an “out-od-the-box” comouter user (web browser, maybe one or two apps, and office suite, then stick with the more conventional distros. If you are very dynamic with your OS, especially 8f you play with a lot of different OSS applications, then Arch get’s easier.

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    I use Arch via Manjaro distribution. Yes, there’s some quirks coming from Ubuntu, but basically installing OSS/propreitary software using Pacman/Yay/Add/Remove Software is such a breeze, and it’s main selling point to me of Arch so I stay with the distro and say good bye to Debian-based one.

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    I use Artix (fork of Arch with init freedom)—the main reason why I prefer an Arch base specifically is for the AUR. The reason why I prefer a minimalistic distro in general, is because I want to be able to choose what software I install and how I set up my system. For example I don’t use a full DE so any distro that auto-installs a DE for me will install a bunch of software I won’t use. You also usually get a lot more control over partitioning etc with minimalistic distros—lets me fuck around with more weird setups if I want to try something out.

    To be clear I don’t think there’s anything wrong with using distros that have more things “pre-packaged”. It’s a matter of personal preference. The category of “poweruser” makes sense—some users want more fine-grained control over their systems, whilst some users don’t care and want something that roughly works with minimal setup. Or perhaps you do care about fine-grained control over your system, but it just so happens that your ideal system is the same as what comes pre-installed with some distro. Do whatever works for you.

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    because it’s less work. i don’t have to strip out what a distro thinks i want. i don’t have to worry about major distro releases that might have changes that need manual intervention. if there are updates that need manual intervention, they’re small, easy to deal with and usually do not effect me. everything is well documented and standard. packages are installed with default settings/config (to my understanding), so i can easily read upstream documentation and not have to deal with weirdness. getting packages that are obscure is easier. i don’t have to worry about upstream having a fix, or supporting something that i need but my distro not having the update in their repo. it’s just simpler and easier to manage (for my use case)

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    Not a mean question at all. I haven’t had more difficulty keeping a working system than I did on Debian, Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, etc. I get everything I need in Arch and the packages are always fresh off the grill. I also like the emphasis on text config files and a ground-up install. That helped me better understand my system and how it works.

    No idea about performance. My performance recommendation is “don’t run Windows!” :)

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    Because it is less trouble.

    I read comments here all the time. People say Linux does not work with the Wifi on their Macs. Works with mine I say. Wayland does not work and lacks this feature or this and this. What software versions are you using I wonder, it has been fixed for me for ages.

    Or how about missing software. Am I downloading tarballs to compile myself? No. Am I finding some random PPA? No. Is that PPA conflicting with a PPA I installed last year? No. Am I fighting the sandboxing on Flatpak? No. M I install everything on my system through the package manager.

    Am I trying to do development and discovering that I need newer libraries than my distro ships? No. Am I installing newer software and breaking my package manager? No.

    Is my system an unstable house of cards because of all the ways I have had to work around the limitations of my distro? No.

    When I read about new software with new features, am I trying it out on my system in a couple days. Yes.

    After using Arch, everything else just seems so complicated, limited, and frankly unstable.

    I have no idea why people think it is harder. To install maybe. If that is your issue, use EndeavourOS.

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    It’s the IKEA effect. You tend to like something more if you built it yourself.

    spoiler

    … and you understand it more when you build something by yourself, so it’s easier for you to fix it when it’s broken.

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    With Archinstall its really easy. You still need to be familiar with the Wiki, but its not hard. Tedious maybe. And running all vanilla software is nice. No distro modification.

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    I like the rolling updates, to be honest. Endeavour has been a wonderful and simple experience. Aside from some NVIDIA issues with Wayland it has been a blast.

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    I don’t really understand the question. All you have to do is run archinstall and then add a desktop environment like KDE and that’s like 80% what other distros do.

    I think arch used to be hard to get started but not anymore. That’s reserved for gentoo now

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    My main reason is, it’s not a dependengy hell. If I want to build software, I don’t have to go through 5 iterations of being told something is missing, figuring out what that is (most annoying part), installing that and retrying. On Arch-based distros, it’s 2 or less, if it even happens.

    Also, AUR.

    Other points include

    • Small install (I use archinstall though, because more convenient.)
    • rolling release.
    • Arch wiki

    My installs never broke either, so it doesn’t feel unstable to me.


    I like it more than ther distros because

    • Debian is a dependency hell, otherwise fine. Older packages. I still use raspian though.
    • Fedora has too much defaults that differ from my preferences. I don’t want btrfs, I don’t want a seperate home partition, dnf is the only package manager that selects No by default. dnf is also the slowest package manager I’ve seen. Always needs several seconds between steps for seemingly no reason at all. Feels like you can watch it thinking “Okay, so I’ve downloaded all these packages, so they are on the disk. That means - let’s slow down here and get this right - that means, I should install what I downloaded, right. Okay that makes sense, so let’s do that. Here we go installing after downloading”. I also got into dependency hell when trying something once, which having to use dnf makes it even worse. - I guess you can tell I don’t like Fedora.
    • Love the concept of NixOS, don’t like the lack of documentation
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      • Debian is a dependency hell, otherwise fine.

      I agree on the older packages (I don’t need cutting edge), but what do mean about “dependency hell”?

      Side note, I laughed a bit at this, I haven’t heard the term “dependency hell” since the old rpm Redhat days before yum.

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        TL/DR it’s about boulding software yourself. I’m describing the process and my thoughts.


        Alright, everything downloaded, let’s build this software. Oh, it fails because… wait a second, what does this mean? Okay, so I’m missing a component. This component is in - well, I don’t know. This post here - no, that’s about coding. The second thread is coding too. Oh, the third one helps. Okay, so I need to install this package.

        Nice, the error message changed. Now I go through the whole loop again and - no, the post didn’t help at all, I still have the same problem.

        [some hack later that I never remember]

        So, the next thing - great, I cannot install it because of some incompatibility with another thing I’d like to keep on my system.

        [solution differs here]

        Oh, of course I don’t have everything yet, why would I? So I’m missing - nothing, the library is literally right there in this package that’s already installed, but the compiler is too stupid to find it. What’s wrong with you!?

        I give up.


        That’s the procedure most times when I have to compile something on Debian and there’s no prerequisites list. Dependency problems can obviously happen on Arch, but it’s not 7 iterations, it’s more like 2. Or I use an AUR Script and don’t care.

        EDIT: I now see that I am repeating myself a little.

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          I build software manually about twice a year, and I’ll be honest, I can’t really say I’ve had that experience in many years. Whether I’m using debuild to generate a deb package or a simple make/make install, the stdout feedback points exactly to the issue 99% of the time.

          Sorry you had that happen, must be frustrating.

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    After trying Ubuntu for a few days I decided to jump in head first and install Arch on my daily driver, it’s been a struggle but I learned so much about Linux I decided to work as a Sysadmin.