• shalafi@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    Can someone help me get my head around Europe’s fear of Russia? I’ve commented, many times, that the EU needs to get off their ass and take their neighbor seriously, but why are so many military and political leaders expecting an all out war?

    Russia is struggling to kick their little cousin’s ass. Even if they steamroll Ukraine next week, they seem seriously weakened, mainly in manpower, but also in steel and tech.

    What am I not seeing? Why do these leaders think Russia could prosecute a war against NATO any time soon? I know we Americans are off the table, at least as far as trust is concerned. But NATO vs. Russia?!

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      6 hours ago

      Its probably Russia + China or Russia + USA, both want the EU dead and their population opposing it doesnt mean shit

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        I’ve been thinking about this.

        If Russia did go to war with the eu any time soon they’d really need china / the US’ overt backing. Like, more than just guns + tech but direct involvement.

        I doubt an all out war on russias side is a viable long term thing for the us, so they’d need a way to bring china into it. I’ve wondered how they’d go about doing that.

    • saimen@feddit.org
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      22 hours ago

      I think because it is not only Russia. There is a new block building and China could try a proxy war via Russia.

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      1 day ago

      I think Russia has shown that just because they couldn’t doesn’t mean they don’t try anyway.

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      1 day ago

      Can someone help me get my head around Europe’s fear of Russia? I’ve commented, many times, that the EU needs to get off their ass and take their neighbor seriously, but why are so many military and political leaders expecting an all out war?

      Probably because they know that a war (big or small that it is) is the only way for Putin to stay in power. And Russia already shown that every treaty they sign is worth less than the paper used to write it.

    • CAVOK@lemmy.worldOP
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      NATO is mainly the US + supporting acts atm. And the US has proven to be an unreliable ally, so…

      Even without the US I’d still expect NATO to win, but you want to be so strong that the enemy won’t even consider attacking.