Meta is bolstering perks like happy hours and company swag as it pushes staff to return to office, despite its ‘year of efficiency’::The company has revived a number of employee perks, according to Bloomberg, including branded t-shirts, laundry services, and free haircuts.
Alright lemmings reality check time. Would you take a job offer from meta if it was in your field and the pay was good?
Nope. Professionals have standards 😂
Seriously, Meta is for me in a very short list of companies where I would not work under any circustances, so the pay could be as good as you want but is a no.
It’s just a job, of course I would. I feel like I dislike most companies anyways, including the one I work for so it wouldn’t change much.
Define “the pay was good”.
For what they’re known payscales say they’d pay a dev with my experience? No way in hell. It’s only slightly more than I make now, and I’d have to go back to the office and work for an evil company (though I’m in Insuretech today, so that bit might just be a lateral move…). Plus I live in a low CoL area today, so a bit more money would actually mean a substantial QoL drop.
Now if we’re talking stupid money, like $600k/year, then yeah I’d suck up going to the office and abandon my morals. Frankly anyone here who says they wouldn’t do it for any salary is kidding themselves
I did and still am.
Happy hours never went away. Swag also never went away. I don’t know if the writer here actually knows anyone or just overheard someone talking about that stuff and assumed it was new.
Covid did reduce the amount of stuff being bought. Freezer went away so ice cream went away. Less alcohol in the game rooms (though no shortage during happy hours), custodial stopped working on weekends (not too many people here anyway, just don’t leave food in your trash bin anymore). They cut a “health” allowance from 3k to 2k =(
Anyway, it’s easily the best decision I’ve ever made. I make twice my city’s median household income. The push for RTO blows (I’m convinced Lori/HR need to justify their existence). At first it was 3 days, now we just got told two specific days (happy hour days are going to rotate, RIP). There’s even a whole HRIS system in place for compliance tracking and all kinds of other wasted money/man hours that went into this. Makes no sense. They keep reference “the data” and “studies” but aren’t showing us what they’re saying. Nevermind that the C suite all got Exceeds Expectations after having to fire dozens of thousands of people (we still believe executive performance = company performance).
Things are coming back since our stock is back to starting with a 3. The only thing that pissed me off was how many laid off people’s positions were re-filled like 6 months later. It’s like the layoffs were just to get dilute the blood in the water that investors were looking for and hearing about a bunch of layoffs make rich people happy. Other than that, my team is amazing, my manager is awesome, work schedule is extremely flexible (single with 2 kids, I don’t know how I’d manage at any of my previous places I’ve worked). There’s the usual “cost saving” bullshit (although, there are honestly a LOT of areas that have been streamlined without any real detrimental effect, so kudos to that) but honestly that’s not Meta-specific. Meta just makes the news because it serves 1/3 of the planet.
Also, we make fun of Reality Labs for not being profitable and we don’t give a shit about Threads because it was made in a few months by a few people. Twitter isn’t really that hard to emulate.
If it’s fully remote, yes.
Recruiters keep asking me to apply and I must’ve told them to pound sand about 3 times in the past 2 years.
I’d apply the same standards as any other offer
Benefits matter, too.
I’m in the AAA gaming industry. EA laid me off earlier this year, and so I wound up looking for work elsewhere.
I’ve learned that really - the pay doesn’t matter if you hate your life every day. If I wanted good pay, I would learn COBOL and write software at a bank. What matters the most is the quality of the team you’re working with (primary), and what benefits your employer has (secondary).
If Meta were to call me up and say “Hey, we want you to be on a team with the greatest coworkers you’ve ever had,” then I’d at least hear them out. What is their culture? Do they believe in crunch? How do they handle sick days? Vacations?
And yes, WFH is part of that, too. But if they were willing to pay to relocate me, buy me a house near a metro station… yeah, I’d take it.
But if they were to offer me that exact same deal - except there’s no guarantees about production schedules/timelines, there’s the “bus problem” (where the project couldn’t survive someone important being hit by a bus), there’s a lot of crunch (or just bad experiences from friends who’ve worked there… Blizzard offered me a sweetheart deal and I said no because of that history)… I’m less likely to want to bite.
And everyone has different preferences. I’ve known some people who love the office. I don’t mind it myself, with the right group. But everyone has to make their own call.
Metro station… oh you sweet summer child. You know what public transit is available near the Meta campus? Maybe, and I mean maybe, a bus stop to get on the homeless express across the bay.
I’m a little sad. My last studio was literally next to a Gold Line station here in Los Angeles. I could bike to the Gold Line and make it to work, and the Gold Line ran frequently and late.
My current job is a mile away from a Metrolink station. On the one hand - at least there’s a nearby station! On the other hand - the Metrolink trains are running the wrong direction for me, I’d need to make a connection at LA Union Station, and the latest one that goes the direction I need it to go (while still allowing me to make my connection) leaves at 5 (which is still considered core working hours for me).
The schedule is like… impressively bad. I’d use it if they ran it later, but they don’t seem to think anyone could possibly be headed in any other direction other than “towards LA” in the morning and “away from LA” at night.
I work in tech and my workplace is also getting deeply aware that layoffs and cost cutting policies have a lasting negative impact on the happiness levels. What a fucking aha moment…
Besides, It seems like, as the economy starts to hit bottom, companies are getting aware that the fight for talent will start again soon.
One thing about tech workers is historically they will crunch themselves hard to minimize downtime and meet deadlines because they care about their code and infrastructure. That totally breaks down when they see a bunch of their friends get shitcanned or sees their company making greedy decisions at the expense of their employees.
Company swag? Nah, just pay me more I wouldn’t want people to know I work for meta.
Upper mgmt “We need our employees back in the office.” Lowrt mgmt “Did you see the numbers? Since our employees started working from home, we’ve been smashing targets.” Upper mgmt “Yeah that’s why we need them back. Just imagine how much better the numbers could have been if we were making sure they weren’t slacking off.”
I wonder if it’s also that now their investors are going to expect growth on top of whatever accelerated growth they have experienced in this WFH era. meta wants a nice, predictable cruise uphill, not a sprint that they’ll now need to continue, progress be damned.
Side note: that’s a theory I’ve had regarding technological advancements in devices like phones. Apple, Samsung etc. want small incremental advancements they can drip-feed to consumers for stable growth, so they probably try to keep the big leaps infrequent. Yeah I know Moore’s Law can’t go on forever, and it might be getting to that point soon… alright I’ll take off the tinfoil hat.
Leave the tinfoil hat on. There is a precedent for exactly what you are describing. When radios went from valve to transistor, radio manufacturers kept the number of transistors low and only slowly increased radio quality over the years. They were able to make higher quality radios from day 1 but didn’t so they could sell more radios.
As someone at a FAANG company, there is one “perk” that these companies offer that few others can match, and that’s freedom of movement. There are few companies where you can join in NYC, work a year, then move fully to London, Berlin, Sydney, Singapore, etc - all sponsored and paid for by the employer. Not only that, but where the employer will pay to find permanent residency and citizenship.
IMO, these are the true perks of the tech industry, and a reason why so many young people are ditching FAANG companies lately, as they start to cut back on allowing people to move teams internationally.
My org at Amazon was polled on retention, and over 50% of the team wanted to move teams after the layoffs. Amazon no longer sponsor international visas, and lots of people wanting to move to North America or Europe are jumping to other companies that will allow them to do so.
Funny enough, for the cost of some of the stupid events that my work have put on for RTO, they could have funded several visas and moves for candidates that wanted to try a new team. Hell, some literally cannot go to their current office, and would love to move somewhere where they could - but no, gotta keep those retention figures low to help the bottom line…
MAAANG
Imagine having to endure a happy hour wearing your Meta t-shirt while zuck monitors your joy level through a huge camera in the corner of the room.
Zuck on a mic: “Please increase your happiness by 14%.”
Why not simply increase basic pay? The younglings no longer want these “”“”“”“”“”“”““perks””“”“”“”“”“”" because they know it comes with many caveats.
They can’t. Workers at Meta were paid well and then they got to work from home. There isn’t any amount of money that will make those workers want to give up their new work life balance. Perks is the only option.
Google had it right back in the day. Free shuttle rides to work. Onsite massages, dry cleaning, free cafeterias, etc. if you make it so people don’t have to do those things when they get home, they will work longer. It still doesn’t compare to wfh but it was close.
Wow, what an interesting technology this is!
Free haircut, like the haircut Zuck gets? 🤨 No. Thanks.
All that money, and he still can’t find a decent hairstyle.
Say what you want, but its also an iconic look. You recognize his face the moment you see it, with that sorta disinct (but still kinda shit looking) haircut.
But also I dunno, I can understand the vibe of wanting super short hair to keep it up and out of the way, some people just prefer their hair cut to stay the hell out of the way, without committing to being full shaved down.
I try not to judge on such a thing. If he likes that haircut, fuck it, the dude makes more money while sitting down for his haircut then 100 haircuts would cost him to pay for.
He can do whatever the fuck he wants with his hair.
I would rather judge him by his actions, like that shit he pulled with buying “private” beaches and whatnot.
Edit: Actually out of curiosity I looked this up for some updates, and it sounds like he and his wife have been putting in efforts to actually do right by the locals, and that a lot of the bad press was just trying to dunk on him and was largely just stuff going over poorly with locals, so he retracted offers and went back at it again but with the help of local professors to ensure he did it right and in a better way.
It sounds like over the past few years he and his wife have been pouring money, like a LOT of money, into preserving tonnes of wildlife and donating a bunch of money to save large areas that were going to be privately developed, and instead now have enough money to pretty much stay preserved and managed by the locals forever.
https://www.kauaitravelblog.com/mark-zuckerberg-kauai-property/
Not gonna lie, it actually sounds like the dude is trying to put in some real work to do good here, I have to say.
He looks like he cuts it himself with nail trimmers.
