I have RSI, and I use talon voice to control my computer.
Because Wayland doesn’t, and probably won’t support accessibility software like talon voice, in time, as x11 is shut down, I’ll have to move to Mac or Windows. I’m devastated.
Talon voice is what allows me to continue working.
I’m literally going to have to move back to the dark side in time, due to the end of X11, and Wayland’s lack of support for accessibility.
This is the one gigantic, glaring problem with Wayland. “The most secure software is the software you can’t use” is not a philosophy I support. Accessibility should always be a first class citizen for mission critical components like window managers.
I’ll do what I can. However, x11 will definitely die in the upcoming years. Development is apparently only maintenance now and basic improvements. The writing is on the wall, as Wayland just doesn’t support what the accessibility tools require.
Keep coming back to Wayland. I’ve been using Linux as my main desktop OS since 2022, and at first, I encountered many issues with Wayland (KDE). However, I kept coming back and testing Wayland as the bugs were fixed. Now, Wayland is great! It feels like a true modern operating system — much better than Windows.
KDE user here, I still use X11 to play old Minecraft versions. LWJGL2 uses xrandr to read (and sometimes modify? wtf) display configurations on Linux, and the last few times I’ve tried it on Wayland it kept screwing the whole desktop up.
One of the ironies with System76 is that they are taking so long to release their Wayland-only desktop that they are becoming one of the last bastions of Xorg.
Does any GNOME user here use X11? On my computer I have been exclusively using Wayland for 3 years. It’s great.
Slightly concerned about remote desktopping though. What do I replace xrdp with?
I have RSI, and I use talon voice to control my computer.
Because Wayland doesn’t, and probably won’t support accessibility software like talon voice, in time, as x11 is shut down, I’ll have to move to Mac or Windows. I’m devastated.
Talon voice is what allows me to continue working.
I’m literally going to have to move back to the dark side in time, due to the end of X11, and Wayland’s lack of support for accessibility.
This is the one gigantic, glaring problem with Wayland. “The most secure software is the software you can’t use” is not a philosophy I support. Accessibility should always be a first class citizen for mission critical components like window managers.
Accessibility is better than reported on Wayland. It is being taken seriously.
https://github.com/splondike/wayland-accessibility-notes/blob/main/talon-requirements.md
Use Talon with Cinnamon and Linux Mint, which still uses X11.
I’ll do what I can. However, x11 will definitely die in the upcoming years. Development is apparently only maintenance now and basic improvements. The writing is on the wall, as Wayland just doesn’t support what the accessibility tools require.
When Ubuntu LTS stops shipping X11 in 2032, that’ll hopefully have changed
That would be nice. I hope so
I do due to an annoying bug that only pops up when using Wayland, forces me to relogin and thus lose my current session.
Haven’t tested for a while though, maybe it’s fixed already.
Keep coming back to Wayland. I’ve been using Linux as my main desktop OS since 2022, and at first, I encountered many issues with Wayland (KDE). However, I kept coming back and testing Wayland as the bugs were fixed. Now, Wayland is great! It feels like a true modern operating system — much better than Windows.
KDE user here, I still use X11 to play old Minecraft versions. LWJGL2 uses xrandr to read (and sometimes modify? wtf) display configurations on Linux, and the last few times I’ve tried it on Wayland it kept screwing the whole desktop up.
I do, its a bit more stable with nvidia still, i sometimes get black screens randomly wit wayland
Yeah, it’s default on pop os. Cannot remember if I tried Wayland, just going with the flow and it works for now
One of the ironies with System76 is that they are taking so long to release their Wayland-only desktop that they are becoming one of the last bastions of Xorg.
Yeah because they dropped the vnc sever for the Wayland session and our workflow at work still uses vnc
If you can install it I’ve found that Remmina works well
That’s a client, not server