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What’s sad is the gnome team is so adamant about removing functionality to make their jobs easier.
This means you need extensions to make gnome usable, but it ends up feeling hacked together because it is.
I’ll never forgive the gnome team for their defense of putting the dock on the side with no option to change it or not including something like gnome tweak tools by default.
It’s really obvious gnome died with gnome3. That’s when all the forks happened, and for good reason. The gnome3 team just listens to the wrong people.
I’m glad we have alternatives to that pile of crap.
Gnome is amazing.
I’m glad you like it.
Yeah, it’s amazing. Best DE for sure. I’m sorry that it hurts your feelings or whatever, that’s unfortunate.
If you rely on extensions when you use GNOME, that’s on you. Vanilla gnome is perfectly fine by itself if you understand the workflow. I only really want, not need, one extension and that’s pano the clipboard manager. Anything else is just extra.
Vanilla gnome is perfectly fine by itself if you understand the workflow.
Well, maybe it is the DE that should be able to adapt to my workflow and not the other way around
Plasma has been pretty stable for the last several years I’ve been using it, especially X11. Wayland is buggier, but not terribly so, and it gets better all the time.
I’ve switched over to Wayland with Plasma now because it is stable enough for me now, I’m on Nobara.
I don’t really use Gnome, so I can’t speak to that experience.
If I were to vouch for a DE that is rock stable, it would be Cinnamon. I’ve never had any problems with Cinnamon. It’s not super pretty, and it’s a bit clunky, but if I want a DE that just works and gets out of my way, Cinnamon is my first choice.
It’s what I use for my business laptop, LMDE with Cinnamon, rock solid.
I should also add that I’ve always used fully AMD hardware, CPU and GPUs, and never brand new. Always a year or two old, so the Linux kernel has time to address bleeding edge bugs and such.
Sure it has a couple of bugs but it has been super solid. I’m on KDE Neon which is the least stable Plasma distro and I barely notice bugs. Once a month Plasma crashes but it does a full recovery with windows in the exact same places.
Man… I’m doing to switch to Linux full time soon. I really love the Windows 10 desktop interface. (Don’t judge me) It’s flat. It’s fast. It’s intuitive. It’s got good ergonomics.
KDE allows me to reproduce that to a certain point using third party extensions. However, KDE plasma has way, way too many configurable options. And I’ve had my whole interface break just by changing the themes to the ones provided by default. There’s too much stuff to configure. It breaks easily too and trying to come back often means nuking your whole home directory and start over. And when you go use someone else’s PC, you’re almost certain they’ve modified their desktop to a point you can’t even recognize anything.
Gnome is simple to a fault. What you see is what you get. The user is limited to what they can configure but your environment stays the same and you get the same experience from one PC to another. You know what to expect. And it just fucking works.
This is what Linux needs. One single user experience for all. It needs a champion to sell it to normal less tech savvy people. As much I love KDE and QT, Gnome is the way to go.
Well there’s a simple thing you are overlooking. You could just not theme Kde with third party themes and extentions and stuff like kvantum themes. It wouldn’t break, just like gnome. Still if you do decide to change stuff its going to be fine most of the time. The beauty of Kde is that there is the option to change stuff, but you aren’t required to.
KDEs default layout is really beautiful and well put together, just like gnome is.
Oh and don’t forget to take backups of your /home. Thats good practice for every desktop environment.
KDE doesn’t even need me to use plugins to break though. Just messing with the themes that are delivered with KDE by default is enough to break it.
That really shouldn’t be happening, make sure to file a bug report if it’s the core themes!
Hasn’t happened to me in the years i have used KDE.
The last time I broke Plasma with themes, was because they weren’t compatible anymore. They could do better with the store, though, there is a lot of stuff which doesn’t work anymore.
Which theme and what did you do? I’ve never seen breeze break.
You most certainly can customise it, the previous version of Nobara had GNOME looking like windows. Not only can, but need to. Try starting out from default GNOME, and then compare it to what comes with distros. It’s essentially unusable if you don’t spend a lot of time and effort to customize it in order to have the basic functionality you’d expect coming from Windows.
This is what Linux needs. One single user experience for all. It needs a champion to sell it to normal less tech savvy people. As much I love KDE and QT, Gnome is the way to go.
GNOME is bad, and even if it wasn’t, you most certainly don’t need a one true DE. If you want that, you can go right back to win or mac.
Try starting out from default GNOME, and then compare it to what comes with distros. It’s essentially unusable if you don’t spend a lot of time and effort to customize it in order to have the basic functionality you’d expect coming from Windows.
Oh man. I have to agree with you there. I’ve been using Ubuntu for so long I forgot how bad Gnome 3 is ootb. Ubuntu really brought some good quality of life improvement to the DE with their own modifications.
But I still stand by my argument that we need one desktop to be the star of Linux if et want more people to adopt it and for it to become mainstream. Giving most people too many options can confuse them.
Honestly, if you want one simple DE for everyone it should probably be XFCE. Dead simple to use, feels vaguely familiar to Windows users, not overly complicated.
KDE is heavily customizable, Gnome is very opinionated, and tiling WMs don’t adhere to orthodox UI patterns. Those are all suboptimal if you want something usable by the absolute widest range of users.
Someone recommended Linux Mint’s Cinnamon also.
There’s also Pantheon from Elementary OS that I really really liked. But it’s missing a few features in my opinion.
Mind you, the real winner is of course Android. It has a consistent, easy to learn interface and a wide range of applications that integrate nicely.
And we don’t need to speculate; it has already won and is the true face of Linux for the masses. Plenty of young people don’t even own traditional computers anymore and do everything on their smartphone or tablets.
And that’s why this entire discussion is really just a form of fan wank; we don’t need to find a unified UI for Linux because it has already been found and has a massive market share. You may not like it but this is what peak performance looks like.
Everything else can be as complicated, janky, or exotic as it wants because it doesn’t matter.
We’re talking about desktop environments.
It’s actually really funny you say that since starting out with default gnome is actually what got me to stick with Linux. I tried out Ubuntu style gnome and tried stuff like dash to panel and dash to dock but found it either unstable or hated it. Vanilla gnome is what got me to be at peace lol. I thought I didn’t like it at first but then it just suddenly clicked once I got over that. Calling it bad is just rude.
Instead of clicking the “disagree button” (downvote) please take the time to reply with your opinion. Downvoting is for things that don’t deserve discussion. This post doesn’t deserve to be hidden.
Now, my take:
I love GNOME’s UX/UI because it’s amazingly intuitive for me, but it’s underlying tech is inferior to KDE, for gaming purposes. That’s why I use KDE, but I miss GNOME every day.
Yes! That’s how I feel as well.
To me, Gnome 2 was the best user experience ever in Linux. I’ve used Mate for a long while after Gnome 3 came out because I found it unusable initially.
As a dev, QT was a dream to work with. And it works so well across multiple platforms.
I wish there was a combination of the two.
It was stable for awhile, but I’m having issues with freezing now.
The YouTuber really grew up. KDE is for Kids. GNOME is for Grownups. Once you realise GNOME is the only professional DE out there, you stop looking back, you stop hopping around like a frog.
To the idiots claiming GNOME breaks or extensions break, I have a few extensions that do not break GNOME, and those extensions are always up to date.
Colorblind Filters, Color Picker, Dash to Panel, GTK Title Bar, Lock Keys, Resource Monitor, Tactile, True Color Window Invert
I will add that KDE is one of the worst DEs as far as performance goes, only second to the likes of Deepin. I have used GNOME, KDE, LXQt, XFCE, LXDE, TDE and few others. GNOME is only second best to LXQt and XFCE, while looking great and not needing to turn off animations or compositor.
Edit: these downvotes tell me Lemmy is simply filled with irrational counter culture normies who live in the delusion that they are the rationalists.
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That’s not a problem, the problem is counter culture normies are almost as bad as normies. This is not what I wanted Lemmy to be, when I helped build it.
I think its really about wanting to just get things done instead of fixing/encountering bugs like sleep/back screen. KDE should review their priorities. But I guess its coming, you cant add new features at infinitum.
GNOME is bringing a new paradigm of multitasking with the fusion of tiling and stacking windows like a mosaic. That is better than almost anything KDE has made in years. The only notable thing I like from KDE is KDE Connect.
