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I really doubt that they are that stupid. My guess is that they are hoping to hinder the development of the project for a bit to delay the switch 2 implementation in yuzu or a future switch 2 focused fork.
Also, all the ppl that were directly associated with the group are no longer legally allowed (or at least would risk a lawsuit against them) to contribute. So a lot of expertise got lost.
Exactly this. Nintendo lawyers were after the people, not the project. Else they’d go after Ryujinx too (they may still to be fair)
This is the correct answer.
It’s like destroying a barracks full of elite soldiers and then going, “Don’t worry. We have plenty more barracks.”
The only reason Switch emulation is as far along as it is is because they made a mistake with the hardware in the Switch’s 2017 model. As long as they don’t make a mistake like that again, they’ll probably be fine.
Physical access is the one thing you can’t shield a device from permanently. Eventually you have to relinquish some security to let users play on their consoles, or allow your service teams the ability to debug and repair it.
Those will always be the way in for anyone with the will and means to reverse engineer your system.
Modern systems being built on open hardware (compared to their predecessors) is a big thing too. ARM and x86 are easier to debug and emulate than Cell, for example.
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The devs had years of experience with 2 very successful emulators . Any new project would require some serious knowledge of the switch and low level programming in a variety of domains. There are a handful of people able to do that. Im guessing they were all either working on yuzu or ryujinx. The yuzu team is no longer allowed to work on emulation so that just leaves ryujinx who are already working on their own.
I want the forks to succeed but its not your standard program we are talking about. Then we have the fact that any successor would have an immediate target on them. Thats a tall ask for anyone.
Is it possible for the devs to create a free guide? Or offer classes in “emulation”?
I doubt it, they need to leave the scene as part of the deal. Could they come along and do something anonymously , sure but I doubt its worth the risk to them.
That’s what everyone tells themselves because “haha Nintendo stupid”.
No it’s not going to have the opposite effect. Best case scenario a different team will take over the project and continue, which is not impossible, but far from a given. More awareness to an abandoned project? Yes, but the entire point is that Yuzu developers won’t add Switch 2 support, and that was assured.
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Yes the project can continue. The original developers, who were obviously best suited to continue it, are gone. I’m sure suyu can do a good job, but I just don’t see how you can call it a positive.
I don’t know who the suyu contributors are, but so far all the activity was renames and migrations to GitLab, not a single technical commit. Are any of them actually able to work on a Switch emulator? Maybe they are, I genuinely don’t know, but the activity on the project so far doesn’t indicate that.
You say the binaries and tutorials still exist. I wasn’t interested in Switch emulation before this, but wanted to try out of curiosity when this happened. I’m a developer myself, and it was difficult finding information. All the download sites and tutorials are dead, and sketchy alternate downloads cannot be trusted. How is the average person, as you say, supposed to download Yuzu now? I eventually got it running but it was far from easy and I had to view tutorials through archive.org. Again, not impossible, but far from the “opposite effect”. Access to Switch emulation for the average person was lowered.
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Well, for one thing, I never said it was a positive. I didn’t use that word, nor did I even imply it.
You are saying it’s going to have the opposite effect of what Nintendo wants (curtailing emulation), so your claim is that this is going to make emulation more widespread. Correct me if I misunderstood.
Look at LibreOffice.
I never disagreed that a fork can end up good. I said Yuzu shutting down won’t help emulation.
This statement literally proves my point. The binaries still exist in some repos, like the Arch extras repo.
Your claim was that this is “increased awareness to the average person”. How are you mixing “average person” and “Arch extras repo”? The average person uses Windows, Googles “yuzu” and doesn’t find anything clear. This was my point, it brought awareness to me and I saw myself that Yuzu is no longer accessible to the average person.
Please explain how Nintendo is worse off now if that’s really what you think. All your arguments boil down to “this means nothing in the long term, emulation is going to be fine”, which I agree with. I still don’t see how this is having “the opposite effect” though.
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Yes I’m conflating them to illustrate my point. You are right in that it will increase the amount of people wanting to try it. My point is that these people won’t be able to get it running, if, for example, it involves Arch repos which are far beyond the reach of the average person. So the additional awareness might go nowhere.
You say Suyu will have stuff soon, and that there are alternatives. Yes that’s correct, which to me means “emulation is not dead yet, there are still alternatives”, which doesn’t seem like “the opposite effect” at all.
Building a community around Discord ain’t it
I hope the former Yuzu developers can coalesce into one or two projects and continue their work on a completely different project like Suyu, with other repos syncing to it in case it gets taken down later.
Not likely to happen, since part of the settlement requires all of the devs to stop work on all emulators permanently. It’s not worth the personal risk that they’d be taking on, because they’d be violating the agreement and opening themselves up to direct personal liability. For this lawsuit, they were shielded by the Yuzu LLC. But if they violate that agreement, they’d be opening themselves up to personal liability instead. And nobody wants to be owned by Nintendo for life like Gary Bowser.
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