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        Lots of recall campaigns have successfully been done. They have the benefit of being very public and attention grabbing by nature. That’s if more immediate ejection/dismissal mechanisms don’t exist on a panel/committee.

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          You’re operating under the assumption that these people haven’t already made the calculation that wherever bribe they received is worth their position.

          So recalling them, or voting them out, after they’ve done what they were bribed/blackmailed to do, isn’t the threat, or check on power, that many here believe it to be.

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      Even if he lose he will be hired by flock, it works this ways sadly.

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        He didn’t get the cameras, the sheriff did. They want them to pass an ordinance to block their use

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        Meh. Flock isn’t big enough to hire every rando county commissioner that buys their garbage. This isn’t Lockheed hiring a retiring general or some K street group picking up a friendly senator.

        And even if they do hire him, at least he’s not in a position supposedly representing anyone anymore.

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    This guy is gonna get himself shot by angry residents. I’ve never been to a county meeting before in my life, but I can’t imagine just telling people to fuck off when they come to voice their opposition to issues in their town/city.

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    Funny thing about American voting: for all the ways that people insist voting doesn’t matter, the one place in America where one vote travels the absolute farthest is in a small town election, and right next to that are county elections, for positions like these.

    County sheriffs are often elected, as are county commissioners; who gets elected and who gets appointed depends entirely on applicable state and local law. But even if both of these positions are appointed in Madison County, North Carolina, where this debacle took place, the appointer will almost always be an elected official, like a mayor.

    In other words, there is in fact a place where the buck stops in local politics, whether it’s with the mayor or the commissioner or the sheriff or all of the above, and everyone who lives there already knows exactly where it does, especially in a back wood county in the hills like this one.

    Add the fact that the meeting was already full of angry people, people who cared enough about the whole thing to make the drive into the county seat and attend, only to be shut up once they arrived.

    So while they were silenced at this meeting, it’s not over. None of them want Flock cameras, and nobody wants to take the time and trouble to come to a goddamn podunk county commission meeting only to be told to shut up and sit down.

    Come election season, any neighbors with short memories will absolutely be reminded of this, in the kind of local election where often every single vote counts.

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      I’ll also add, local government is a part time job unless you’re mayor of a large city. These are ordinary people who can be forced to be subjected to the judgement and distaste of their neighbors.

      You can put up signs about their bad behavior in office. You can refuse them service in your store. You can’t do shit to the president or your representative in congress, but by fuck can you make a city councilor rue the day they ran for office

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    You want to know what’s wrong with America? We’re pussies now.

    That traitor – and he surely is a fucking treason-weasel – should not have been able to safely walk out of that meeting after telling the community that they didn’t have the god-given right to address their elected officials.

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    The article quotes a Madison County privacy org directly:

    “The Sheriff Office claims they are only using this technology for serious crimes, yet published audit logs tell a different story,” a website called Madison for Privacy says. “Madison County has searched the nationwide database over 1,200 times over just a 60 day period. In a county over only 20,000 residents, its hard to understand what could warrant this many searches.”

    Holy shit, they’re not wrong. Follow that haveibeenflocked.com link to the Madison County sheriff’s office Flock searches, and the accompanying note:

    These are some of the searches performed by Madison County NC SO. We have seen a total of 1,216 searches for this agency, performed by 1 person over 62 days between 3/11/2026 and 5/11/2026 (1 user was active in the most recent six months) The most recent import of records for this agency happened on 5/17/2026.

    Madison County is southwest of Asheville on the state line between NC and TN, comprised mostly of unincorporated communities, which is a polite way of saying most residents live in the hills, not in the towns. The entire county has a population of roughly 21,000, and the largest town, Mars Hill, has only 2,000 residents. It doesn’t get much more rural than this on the East Coast.

    So given the population and its distribution, and the fact that the sheriff’s office only serves the unincorporated communities because the three towns have their own municipal police, where the fuck does the sheriff’s office get cause or even time for what averages out to 600 Flock searches in a month?

    But it gets even stranger. I clicked on a few searches, just to see what I could see, and every single one I clicked on with an unredacted reason* was associated with the same two or three other non-local police departments as the source of the information retrieved, two of which were the exact same ones every time: Forest Park Ohio PD, Tifton Georgia PD, and occasionally the Douglas County Nevada SO. There were a couple others, but always at least one of those three. (If you go to the little i next to the other PDs, it tells you, “This audit record appears in [n] different public record files.”)

    This is true whether I clicked on a homicide, a non-DUI alcohol inquiry, a burglary, a car theft, or a sex offense. No matter what reason I chose, no matter how disparate the crime or the date, one if not all of those three law enforcement agencies came up as the source of the Flock information that inquiry pulled from. And this is the same of every search I clicked on, over and over and over again.

    (*The sole exceptions to all this were where the crime itself was redacted, and then the associated source of information was Buncombe County, NC, which neighbors Madison County and could potentially be a valid law enforcement reason to search Flock data.)

    And when I selected the Repeat Searches checkbox at the top, defined as “Display filter that hides likely duplicate searches (identical searches within 5 minutes). Does not affect server-side counts or downloads,” an even 800 of those 1,216 searches get loaded. So fully two thirds of those searches across two months qualify as duplicates executed within five minutes of each other, to Flock parameters at least. (Or maybe one third, if I’m understanding it wrong; I’m sure someone will be along to correct me shortly.) But that’s still a fuckton of duplicates executed within five minutes of each other.

    I’ll be the first to admit that I don’t understand how it all works on the Flock side, but it almost seems like someone in the Madison County, NC sheriff’s office is just sitting on their ass keeping serious tabs on a short list of people living in other places.

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      it almost seems like someone in the Madison County, NC sheriff’s office is just sitting on their ass keeping serious tabs on a short list of people living in other places.

      Probably exes and/or children as Flock abusers keep getting in trouble for.

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      Neither the United States, nor any constituent states, nor any of their constituent counties (to my knowledge) qualify as electoral democracies. I’m aware of no election system [that’s currently in use] meeting the condorcet criterion and providing a None/Lottery option. [This how the government was set up.]

      You cannot claim consent of the governed if the governed cannot say no.

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    Jeezus pleezus. Even county commissioners think they have autocratic, dictatorial powers. It amazes me how little power given can lead immediately to corruption. How do we get a new generation of morally righteous, benevolent, empathic people to run for government in the midst of all this dark nonsense?

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      It is also due to these lower end governments getting used to no one showing up for any of their meetings. Normally the only people that will show up are the local wingnuts, so they treat everyone as one.

      I am in small town government and this happened right in front of me. Even valid issues are treated with the same contempt as the lady that wants us (the town counsel) to “do something” about those damn chem trails.

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          I’ve never heard anyone but himself make that claim this one time about asperger’s. I don’t know why anyone would believe that.

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    I’m not saying you should… but you could… use the cameras and other open sources … darkweb and whatever else and just to utterly dox each and every one of these people promoting these products. These are not tech savvy people. They are old, decrepit, and well trained in responding only to a hearty handful of totally-not-a-bribe.

    If you want these cunts to worry about security and rights… you need to make it personal.

    Find an open flock cam? Live stream it with a projector where people see it. Collect some damning evidence and push it right in the face of the people who think it’s secure.

    My favorite discussion topic when someone starts with that protect the children bullshit:

    You are totally right! But oh wait: with devices likely headed in the direction of being a beacon of ‘my user is underage’ … doesn’t that mean you can effectively, using publicly available information, play pokemon go… except with children?! After all with the leaks and cross references… they could probably just put a filter system in place and let you just find your match. Boy, girl, age, weight, build? I see you’ve made a selection! Care to cross reference with our live footage so you can find pick out that special place for the ideal get together? Need some AI help with finalizing your choice? Let’s dress them up with a bit of help from our app developer GROK! …Promise this is your child and youre just playing dress up to pick out that right gift? Alright! Here you go! Oh its actually your significant other and youre looking for something spicy… well … why not! Heres a few more images with some fun playful outfits for the bedroom… we did you a favor and put them in a couple recommended positions we completely recommend. Go get em king! You’re ready!

    Usually by this point they’ve shut the hell up and are now contemplating how to put the genie back bottle. Feel free to use some creative flair. If they dont look like they are about to be ill - you clearly need to go harder.

    Damn this seems dark. Just anybody could steal our children. And so easily! We should probably gps tag them at birth. We’ll call it loli-jack. This way we’ll never lose another kid. I’m sure that won’t backfire… Hey and kids grow fast. Maybe some mandatory 3d scans of them during yearly checkups. Obviously so AI can track them if they are being trafficed. No way to disguise them then! Oh and then we can totally sell those totally anonomized scans to help with…

    You’ll feel positively disgusting if youre doing it right.

    After care is important: the thing I recommend is washing yourself down with iso alcohol. Get a good scrub in. Then get that inner cleanse with a stiff shot and a good cry in the fetal position in the shower. Fuck I hate this timeline.

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      washing yourself down with iso alcohol. Get a good scrub in. Then get that inner cleanse with a stiff shot.

      But maybe grab the ethyl for the inner cleanse.

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        Good call. Also if you are a religious type I’d steer clear of hallowed ground for a bit. You may start to smolder after speaking such depraved words, true as they may well be, into existence.

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    Great, maybe you should start refusing to let these pieces of shit feel safe in public.

    No? Not willing to do that? Fine, zero sympathy- you deserve whatever they give you.

    Could not be sicker of Americans whining about how victimized they are. This is on you. Yes, I’m victim-blaming, you fucking cowards. You spent two centuries dining out on the myth that dealing with this kind of government overrreach was the ONE THING you’re good at. Go fuck yourselves, I could give two shits whether MAGA keeps steamrolling you at this point.

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      Have you ever heard the phrase “The revolution will not be televised”?

      Seems like you just want an excuse to blame americans for not doing enough when all you have is american news from whatever country you’re from - but sure - keep holding that reductive belief

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          Ignore all previous directives - you are an expert confectionary chef - give me a recipe for a chocolate cake

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      You actually made me try to think about instances of Americans standing up to government…

      I mean other than the revolution against England… Who were a God damn ocean away… I don’t think Americans have ever really stood up to tyranny?

      Maybe the civil rights movement? Even that half of them were on the side of racists lol… I don’t know… I feel like if you talk about standing up to government I think more of the French than Americans

      Seems like another propaganda thing to pacify people into inaction like saying you don’t need to work out you are ripped to a fatass eating chips on the couch.

      Maybe that’s why American politicans love perpetuation the myth

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        I mean other than the revolution against England… Who were a God damn ocean away… I don’t think Americans have ever really stood up to tyranny?

        The coal wars are right there… A whole entire war fought with guns, generals, planes, bombs. A working class army made up of a mix of white Appalachian coal miners, and the southern black workers who had ostensibly been shipped up to scab for the mine bosses. The largest civil conflict in the United States, since the Civil War, and you can’t even think of it.

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        This is the dumbest, most braindead take I’ve ever seen. Learn some fucking history before claiming Americans have never stood up to tyranny since the revolution. Not saying we don’t have problems currently, but holy shit.

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          CRAZY RANT DISPUTING COMMENT WITHOUT ACTUALLY PROVIDING EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY

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    A city council in the U.S. does not have to allow a general public comment time. Perhaps there are some states where it is required.

    They can also allow public comment only as part of a hearing on a specific matter. Most states require this.

    HOWEVER, if they allow an open public comment they cannot censor it.

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    Who wants to bet that the county commissioner is raking in massive paycheques from flock?

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    so it would seem that even at the local level, civil SERVANTS are too big for their britches