My resin printer was powered off with resin in the vat for about 7 months. Last night I turned it on, gave it a job, and I woke up to a successful print.
My inkjet printer was powered off for 2 weeks. Last night I turned it on, gave it a job, and was instantly disappointed with a streaky, blotchy output. Running a clean cycle just made the output worse.
Why are 2D printers so terrible despite decades of development? What are some 2D printers this community has had good interactions with/would recommend?
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Inkjet 2D printers are terrible because they are purposefully designed to milk their owners for money in the form of overpriced ink cartridges. Often the printer itself is sold at a loss and the manufacturer’s single goal is to profit off of the sale of consumables. Inkjet itself is a technology that’s inherently fraught, due to the possibility of ink drying out. It’s the same reason most people don’t use fountain pens anymore, because the principle and pitfalls are basically exactly the same. (Says the guy who owns like 427 fountain pens. So I like to be contrarian; do as I say, not as I do.)
The answer to your question on what to recommend is a laser printer. No contest.
A lot of people like Brother laser printers. I would avoid anything by HP (for pretty much everything, not just printers). I personally have a Canon color laser printer which has been pretty good to me so far.
I have a tank printer which I got like 5 years ago? It still works and the ink is pretty cheap even if you buy first party. We are still using the ink the printer came with 5 years after. The print quality can suffer if I don’t use it for over a month but the maintenance job has always fixed the issue so far.
I don’t doubt laser printers are great. I’m just offering a potential 2ndary option.
The Epson EcoTank. Yeah, I went through three of those under warranty before I gave up. I bought my color laser immediately thereafter.
Epson’s design decisions with those, at least of the generation I had, were worse than questionable. The ink tanks are not sealed, so your ink slowly dries out and thickens. Then the print head clogs. Dust can also work its way in under the caps. There is no way to drain the tanks for transport, cleaning, or removing expired ink (except to use a long syringe) and there is no consumer accessible way to purge or clean the lines inside, either. The print head is also not removable for cleaning or replacement. If it gets gummed up and the printer’s inbuilt cleaning song-and-dance with the wipe pad can’t fix it, you are capital F fucked.
Epson then instructs you to drain the ink tanks before sending your unit in for warranty work, knowing full well that they did not include any provision whatsoever to allow you to do so. Genius! After the warranty expires, the machine is landfill. It is not feasibly serviceable by the average end user.
Needless to say, I do not recommend the Epson EcoTank line. It’s great that you’re having good results with yours, though. I certainly didn’t with any of the three I had.
There’s more than just Epson. There are Canon ink tanks too, and probably Brother.
All are super easy to dismantle and clean if need be.
Three?! Wow that’s insane. The QA on these must be terrible. I guess if you luck out it’s great lmao.
Sounds like the consensus. I also have a dye sublimation printer for photos (Canon Selphy) and it never fails. We’ve used it as a “near instant photobooth” at weddings, put probably a thousand photos through it, and photos today looks as great as the day we bought it.
The dye sub printers are doggedly reliable because basically the entire print mechanism is actually in that CYMK film cartridge, and every time you replace it you get a whole new everything. The printer itself only encompasses the linear heating element and paper handler and doesn’t have to contain any ink/toner/pigment handling hardware at all.
But that’s also why the things are so damn expensive per print. They’re excellent for the singular purpose of printing photos, which admittedly is what they’re marketed for, but lousy at everything else.
At this point it might just be more reliable to print a 1 layer thick text document on my 3D printer.
First, avoid inkjets. They need to be used regularly to work reliably. If you don’t print, they will periodically blast ink through, till they run out. If you leave them turned off, the ink dries, and they clog up.
For day to day. A colour laser is the best bet. More expensive, and they struggle with photos, but they just keep on going. 1 refill costs 5x the cost of an inkjet, but will do 50x the prints.
If you need photos, a dye sublimation printer is the way forward. They are expensive to run, but create professional grade photos. The consumables also keep indefinitely.
As for brands. Brother is the best bet. They quietly produce the battle tanks of printers. They do 1 job very well, no faffing, no unnecessary bells and whistles.
In short, a brother colour laser printer is exactly what you are asking for.
I have both a brother laser and a brother multifunction inkjet. Both have been solid for many years. However, with the inkjet, due to infrequent use, i found that the cartridges a/o print head would get clogged/dried after a while. I solved this by setting up a scheduled print job on one of my machines that fires off once a week. That document has 4 1” solid squares, their colors corresponding to the cartridge colors. Since starting this, i’ve had zero clogging issues, and i just recycle the weekly prints as scratch paper for notes, etc.
Brother laser printers are great.
Another vote for the Brother monochrome laser printer. My LH-23200 has needed toner once since 2017, and a four pack of toner from Brother costs about $30.
I’ve heard the lady who fucked up HP has been hired to the board of Brother, though. So who knows how long this sort of thing will last.
Yup.
A few years ago I needed to print something for a job I was applying for and I had three inkjets, none of which worked. Replacement ink wasn’t even a guaranteed solution and was going to cost three figures anyway…so I started looking into whether there was a better option.
Ended up buying a Brother color laser printer. A bit spendy, but now when I need to print something after not printing for months, I just literally tell it to print and it gets it exactly right, first try, every time.
Zero regrets.
I have a very old photo printer from Canon and it’s amazing! Produces really high quality photos in A3. And I’ve never had any issues apart from two nuances: it can’t print text documents and its ink is very very expensive. Not your average inkjet expensive, it’s much more expensive and it lasts for like 20 full page prints or something.
On the other hand you’re not getting full colour high quality A3 prints cheaper in a photo lab either. And your average photo lab can’t print photos that good.
Brother inkjets never disappointed me. You should, however, not disconnect them from power as they self clean from time to time to prevent the mess you described.
Interesting. Does it have to be “on” or just plugged in? I don’t have a permanent space for a paper printer so it stays in the closet until we need it.
It’s only got to be plugged in. Wakes when the cleaning job is due, sleeps. Startles me with that sometimes in a quiet work moment.
Not inkjet for sure.
I’ve had good experience with Brother laser printers. They don’t seem to mind being left unused for months at the time. I have a Brother color laser printer and a Brother B&W laser printer-scanner and I like them both a lot.
If you get a printer with a scanner, I recommend using the NAPS2 freeware for your scanning. It works great with a wide variety of scanners, is simple to use but highly configurable, and is a lot less of a nuisance than the proprietary scanning software that comes with most printers. Once your OS has the drivers it needs, you generally won’t need the proprietary bloatware that comes with the printer in my experience.
As for leaving resin sitting in a vat for extended periods, I don’t recommend it beyond a few days. Sure, you can get away with it like you did, but you can also develop various problems from it. The resin will separate (easily fixed by stirring) but it can also slowly leak out of the vat and make a mess (this happened to me).
I try to make a habit out of emptying my vat (through a filter back into the resin bottle) in order to inspect and/or clean the FEP semi-regularly. I also feel better about not having an open vat just sitting around to potentially get bumped and knocked around. If I am using the 3d printer heavily I don’t bother with this, but I know if it’s going to sit idle for a week or longer, I go ahead and empty & clean the vat.
I actually have a “resin mixing” gcode file that just raises and lowers the build plate a bunch while I’m warming up the shed my resin machine lives in. That mixes it up really nicely!
As for leaving resin in the vat, thank you for the advice, however I’ve been printing with this machine since 2020 and never empty the vat unless I’m changing resins or using a water washable (which I moved away from as the detail wasn’t as crisp, and it’s just as problematic as regular resin). I do run a clean cycle after a print, peel the sheet up, cure it and toss it. Never had to replace the FEP, never had any leakage issues
I had a Samsung SL-C430W (a laser color printer) and it still work really well after 7 years, but admitedly I don’t print that much and only a really few time a photos. On the other hand I printed on a variety of types of paper, from the standard one to the decals paper to paper to print shirts and lastly to paper to print on wood and it never disappointed.
Cheap toners (from Amazon) and really robust. But I think it is no sold.
I’m impressed. I’ve got a inkjet that Is about 18 years old. I have to occasionally wipe off the print head, but otherwise has never needed repairs. The ender 3 we have has needed replacement parts from heads to hot ends and feeders, and every print requires specific to it setting. I can print to my hp using generic drivers without a second thought. 3d printers are far from that level of ease of use/ reliability. I’m glad your stuff worked, but that’s the minority.
That is just the Ender 3 experience. Buy a Prusa, Bambu, etc. and you hobby can actually be printing stuff.
I have a Espon ET-5150. Its worked fine so far but I wish my wife would’ve let me spring for a laser printer.
My wife specifically ordered me to spring for a color laser printer.
We decided to DIY a lot of our wedding stationery after seeing the outrageous prices dickheads try to scam newlyweds-to-be for this sort of thing. We easily could have bought a very nice printer and all the fancy paper and so forth we’d need just for the price of the invitations, envelopes, table cards, etc. (And, part time graphic designer over here. No sweat designing and cranking out some cards and table standies and stuff.)
So I bought an Epson EcoTank ET-16500. I had three of them consecutively shit the bed for one reason or another while simultaneously failing to actually complete our stationery project. Weeks wasted waiting for warranty replacements, arguing with the manufacturer, and fiddling around siphoning the ink out of the fucking things to ship them back and forth. I still have like 12 unopened bottles of ink because every new one they sent me came with more.
Fuck inkjet printers with a rusty pitchfork. All of them. I bought a Canon color laser printer while waiting for warranty replacement #3 as a stopgap. Because I didn’t have time for that shit. That was six years ago and it’s still trucking just fine. And now I use it to print all of our handbills, signage, and color literature for work also. That’s thousands of pages at a time sometimes – No problem.
Get a Brother HL-L Series monochrome laser printer. You’ll have the same experience as with your 3D printer.
Inkjet printers are only an option if you need to print in (brilliant) color regularly, and then you’re probably running a photo print shop.
Cheap inkjet printers are literally useless trash.Get a brother brand, it is the open source of printers, haven’t had a single problem with mine, ever
