yes, it’s a rant. I don’t care.
Back in the days drag and drop was working perfectly fine, but now it’s a pain to use. I just installed mkvtoolnix dropped two files into it and it worked. Wanted to add another one and it didn’t. Guess it’s because it’s in a network share and for some reason that matters. Adding the file via the menu works though wtf? Reinstalled mkvtoolnix. Now natively instead of flatpack and now dropping from the network share works, too. Guess it’s some sandbox permission thing and who doesn’t love fiddling with permissions on a weekend.
Btw dropping a file into the file open dialog window also does not work when the program is installed as flatpack. Try explaining that to your mom and then think about why most people think linux is to complicated.
Also remember how you could drop a file instead of pasting its path? I just tried that to add the path of a video into a text file and it inserted the video into the text. Of course it froze the text editor. Great.
Also way too many times firefox opens a file then I drop it in instead of uploading it to the cloud storage I have opened and unzipping files by dragging them out of the archive manager is not possible for the last couple of years.
Honestly I don’t care about workarounds or if it’s a wayland, grnome or flatpack problem. These are basic functionality that I expect to just work
Sounds like your issue is mostly flatpak, to me.
Only issue I have with drag and drop is any wine game I am playing assumes the file is for them, and jumps to the foreground if the cursor passes over it while dragging. If I accidentally drop it, dragging stops working in the drag source app. Sure, this wouldn’t be an issue if I were not sharing and moving files mid-game, but that is my wont.
Funny I have the opposite experience.
I use KDE Plasma, Firefox, konsole, etc and sometimes, no idea when and why, I just pick a file then drop it somewhere else, including ON the terminal… and it works?! Like it brings the full path for that file and then I can compose with CLI tools, amazing!
I’m quite used to the terminal so I rarely use drag&drop (mv, cp, scp, rsync, etc just work) but when I do I’m actually often positively surprise that totally different software made with different interaction paradigms (e.g. GUI vs CLI) do work well together. Overall I think https://specifications.freedesktop.org/ is quite impressive.
Portals. Ask app devs to fix stuff
Aaah - so this is the reason why Elisa, which I installed through flatpak is like : «I dont know how to play this file, I can only play audio files» when i try to drag&drop wavs/oggs to it. Yes, hundred percent agree - this is unacceptable behaviour when it comes to ux. I hope it will be fixed.
Drag and drop is an absolute mess on Windows, too.
You’re copying data from a program and inserting it into a different program.
Depending on which programs those are, the data needs to be converted, or only a selection of the copied data needs to be inserted.
The destination program has to guess which parts you need, and the source program is written by someone else.In your case, you add flatpak on top of this complication, which by design limits what a program can see and access.
And allowing it to see the network share you actually want it to access is too complicated for you.
So you want a program to guess that in this case it’s probably OK to read from the place you didn’t allow it, and give itself permission without asking?honestly, a rant is a rant and I’d let it go, but the final, entitled “I expect it just to work” is a tad too much.
Steve Jobs vibes.
dragon dragon
drop the dragon
drag and drop
now it’s in your head too
Friends don’t let friends use [flatpak|snap|etc]
True, but for some reason in the software center flatpack often is the only option even when it’s also in the repository. Sure I could install that one using the command line but then we are back at workarounds. On the other hand, not using flatpacks is also just a workaround
Yeah it’s always sucked and tbh the only place drag and drop has ever worked close to predictably is on the mac.
As someone who uses linux, mac and windows, if you rely on drag and drop working right you’re probably best served by using macos. Windows is a distant second but if you get familiar with its eccentricities then it’s doable too.
Comes here to rant about something…
Doesn’t even understand what he’s ranting about 🤣
Wanna give some details here, chief? Maybe someone can actually let you know what’s going on or fix it. What DE are you on, first of all?
No, you don’t understand what I’m ranting about. My point is, I should not need to fix anything. Drag and Drop is a basic feature from the 80s (?). Such big project as Wayland, Flatpack, gnome or whoever is at fault, should not release a software with such a feature not working reliably
Comes down to flatpak not really being part of your holistic system. And thus permissions.
Removed by mod
Flatpak:
Sucks
User:
Comes to linux community to complain
Maybe try submitting an issue to flatpak devs, contribute to it, or stop using it if it doesn’t work for you?
I never used flatpak and have no issues with drag and drop.
I don’t know if that’s really the way to go. I don’t even know if it’s a flatpack issue. Maybe it’s just this one program and the developer packaged it wrong. The archive manager is not a flatpack, so maybe it’s a completely different issue there or the same one and it’s unrelated to flatpacks at all. I have now idea and I should not have to, because, as I said, it’s a basic feature that worked for years and should still just do.
Why would you fixate on drag-and-drop specifically like it’s granted? If the software developer developed it, it’s supported; if it wasn’t developed, it doesn’t work. If you’re not happy, open a pull request. You have no right to demand features from open source developers even if you donate.
