• gian
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    14 hours ago

    No, I want my country for people who respect the laws of my country.
    If they don’t, they can simply go somewhere else if they are not Italians or go to jail if they are Italians.

    but the idea is still to “remigrate” people you deem unacceptable.

    What a monster I am to want to “remigrate” people who arrive here, live by petty crimes, don’t want to be part of the society and pretend to impose their laws to the country hosting them.

    Let my ask you one thing: would do like it if I would come to your home, trash it and impose my rules to you in your own home ?

    • kossa@feddit.org
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      10 hours ago

      I always love that ‘home’ metaphor, so let’s roll with it.

      So, suppose somebody is coming into my home and starts shitting in the living room. I do not like that.

      But, here’s the thing: I feel morally obliged to let him shit in my living room and spend resources to better that person, when he’s gonna be lynched by an angry mob on the outside as an alternative.

      That is the moral question that determines what kind of human being one is: do you help people that are in danger, even if they stink, shit in your living room or otherwise inconvenience you? I hope for sure I am the person who helps.

      And, to be honest, it is also not that strange, that he starts shitting in my living room, when I deny him access to the toilet the second he enters my home ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

      • gian
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        8 hours ago

        I always love that ‘home’ metaphor, so let’s roll with it.

        So, suppose somebody is coming into my home and starts shitting in the living room. I do not like that.

        But, here’s the thing: I feel morally obliged to let him shit in my living room and spend resources to better that person, when he’s gonna be lynched by an angry mob on the outside as an alternative.

        Admirable, but I not feel compelled to help someone who disperespect the place offering him hospitality in the moment he enter. I mean, maybe, the first time, but after that one there is no way I will accept him shitting around again.

        That is the moral question that determines what kind of human being one is: do you help people that are in danger, even if they stink, shit in your living room or otherwise inconvenience you? I hope for sure I am the person who helps.

        In a way yes, you are helping. In another way you simply convice people that they can do whatever they want in your house. Up to you if it is ok with you, but I would like to put boundaries: I will help you but you need to be civil and help yourself to be better.

        And, to be honest, it is also not that strange, that he starts shitting in my living room, when I deny him access to the toilet the second he enters my home ¯_(ツ)_/¯

        It would be more something like “look, the next door is a public restroom, use it”.

    • germanichwurst@feddit.org
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      14 hours ago

      A country isn’t a home you dumbass nazi.

      “Don’t want to be part of society” they took 1 years to refuse my wife visa, idiot. It’s society and scum like yourself who rejects them, not the other way around.

      • gian
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        14 hours ago

        A country isn’t a home you dumbass nazi.

        Oh yes, I now understand the type of person you are.
        You are the kind of person who think that once him and is house are ok, then everything else can crumble and it is not his problem, like he is not part of the society he lives in.
        Well, bad news for you: keep thinking like this and you and your contry will end like many places in southern Italy where they have beautifull homes (inside) that are in ruin on the outside because who care to maintain what is not mine and, for example, in the summer they have not water because “hey it is not my fucking problem that the guys who need to maintain the water system do their work”.

        “Don’t want to be part of society” they took 1 years to refuse my wife visa, idiot. It’s society and scum like yourself who rejects them, not the other way around.

        You can always choose to go where they don’t care about laws… after all “a country is not a home”, correct ?