Man, do you people realize that if Israel really wanted to commit a genocide then Gaza would have been erased from the map many years ago, right ?
Genocide:Year before Oct 7 - Jewish Voice for Peace
Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide in the Gaza Strip (South Africa v. Israel) and Summery by the International Court of Justice
Nice, now show me all the times that was asked to Hamas to follow the same laws.
One thing of the war laws is that if you don’t follow them with me, you cannot ask me to follow them with you. And I would be in the right.
Hamas committed multiple war crimes with ‘indiscriminate’ rockets and mortars
It’s almost like Human Rights Organization hold everyone accountable, it’s just that Israel does magnitudes more war crimes and violations of international law for longer than the existence of Hamas.
This is Israel going ahead with the genocide because this is the Israeli government is finally “conservative” enough to actually do it instead of just talking about it.
The judicial reforms were one indicator, this invasion is another.
Israel has jumped the shark.
Already said, it is sad and nasty but I cannot avoid to think that this is the only possible outcome given how Hamas and the Gaza civilian decided to act.
You are blaming the CIVILIANS in Gaza?
WTF.
I hope you were well paid to voice that opinion, otherwise …
Well, your CIVILIANS
- voted for Hamas, well knowing what the Hamas political program were/is
- let Hamas steal all the aids that the rest of the world send them
- let Hamas use them as shields
- let Hamas to destroy that little infrastructures they had to build weapopns
- agree with Hamas to ever refuse any possible peacefull solution
- let Hamas put weapons in their homes
- let Hamas hide in their homes
- celebrate, even women and children, every attack on the west (they celebrate the twin Towers attack, but I know, it is not on YT or Goggle so it does not exist)
and now they are getting what they voted for. I mean, you cannot continually hit Mike Tyson in the face and then go crying to your mother when he hit back…
I only want that they will be hold accountable for the consequences of their own choices, like everyone should be. Is that that wrong ?
You’re that wrong
Most Palestinians Believe Hamas Should Change its Position on Eliminating Israel - WPO March 2, 2006
Most Palestinians agree that Hamas should recognize Israel’s right to exist. Two-thirds (63 percent) of those polled Jan. 27-29 by Near East Consulting said Hamas should change its position calling for the elimination of Israel. Even among those who voted for Hamas, only 37 percent support Hamas’ position that Israel does not have the right to exist.
Apparently the vast majority of Palestinians did not vote for Hamas because of its political goals but because of their desire to rid the Palestinian Authority of corruption, a theme Hamas campaigned on. Among those polled by JMCC who said they voted for Hamas, only 12 percent said they did so because of Hamas’ political agenda. A plurality of 43 percent said they voted for Hamas because they hoped it would end corruption.
Furthermore it should be noted that Hamas did not receive the majority of the popular vote. With the Palestinians’ mixed system of proportional representation according to party support for half the seats and district seats based on population for the other half, Hamas was able to take 58 percent of all seats with only 45 percent of the overall popular vote (the 58 percent includes three independents who campaigned with Hamas).
The Israeli imposed closure on Gaza began in 1991, temporarily, becoming permanent in 1993. The barrier began around Gaza around 1972.
Between July 1971 and February 1972, Sharon enjoyed considerable success. During this time, the entire Strip (apart from the Rafah area) was sealed off by a ring of security fences 53 miles in length, with few entrypoints. Today, their effects live on: there are only three points of entry to Gaza—Erez, Nahal Oz, and Rafah.
Perhaps the most dramatic and painful aspect of Sharon’s campaign was the widening of roads in the refugee camps to facilitate military access. Israel built nearly 200 miles of security roads and destroyed thousands of refugee dwellings as part of the widening process.'* In August 1971, for example, the Israeli army destroyed 7,729 rooms (approximately 2,000 houses) in three vola- tile camps, displacing 15,855 refugees: 7,217 from Jabalya, 4,836 from Shati, and 3,802 from Rafah.
- Page 105
Through 1993 Israel imposed a one-way system of tariffs and duties on the importation of goods through its borders; leaving Israel for Gaza, however, no tariffs or other regulations applied. Thus, for Israeli exports to Gaza, the Strip was treated as part of Israel; but for Gazan exports to Israel, the Strip was treated as a foreign entity subject to various “non-tariff barriers.”'°° This placed Israel at a distinct advantage for trading and limited Gaza’s access to Israeli and foreign markets. Gazans had no recourse against such policies, being totally unable to protect themselves with tariffs or exchange rate controls. Thus, they had to pay more for highly protected Israeli products than they would if they had some control over their own economy. Such policies deprived the occupied territories of significant customs revenue, estimated at $118-$176 million in 1986.!°! (Arguably, the economic terms of the Gaza—Jericho Agreement modify the situation only slightly.'°)
- page 240
The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-Development - Third Edition by Sara M. Roy
History of Hamas:Hamas began twenty years into the occupation during the first Intifada, with the goal of ending the occupation. Collective punishment has been a deliberate Israeli tactic for decades with the Dahiya doctrine. Violence such as suicide bombings and rockets escalated in response to Israeli enforcement of the occupation and apartheid.
What Is Hamas? - Council on Foreign Relations
What Does Hamas Actually Want? - NY Mag
Hamas Election - Snopes
Hamas 1988 Charter and Revised 2017 Charter
The 1988 Charter, which is certainly unreasonable in its fundamentalism with Sharia Law and is antisemitic, does not call for the extermination of all Jewish People. The 2017 Revised charter accepts a Two-State Solution of the 1967 Borders. Check Article 7 and 13 of the 1988 Charter to see yourself, compare it to Article 20 and 24-26 in the revised charter
The slogan From the River to the Sea is about Palestinian liberation that started in the 60s by the PLO for a democratic secular state, not Genocide. The Syrian leader Hafez al-Assad in 1966 maybe, but he’s not Palestinian.
Human Shields:When it comes to human shields, the only independent verification back in 2014 (Amnesty link) is of Weapons (not rockets) hidden at a vacant school, situated btwn 2 UNRWA schools housing displaced people, by a Palestinian armed group.
The Guardian journalists had encountered a couple individuals in 2014 too.
HRW on Laws-of-War Violations 2009
Amnesty on Hamas War Crimes 2023
Yet none of those come remotely close to making hospitals and schools bombing targets. Even if all the IDF claims were true, that does not exempt those hospitals and schools as protected under international law.
Additionally, let’s look at how the IDF uses Human Shields including Children (2013 Report)
They’re starting to get pushback with their more methodical genocide and you somehow think they could get away with just instantly wiping out Gaza from the map (especially many years ago when it was bigger)? Hey, maybe israel is special and can pull it off, but this is still a genocide either way.
I did not said that. I said that if they really wanted then they had a lot of opportunities to do it in the past. Now they probably don’t care as long as they are left alone by Hamas.
