The thought of a nuclear reactor running on Windows is terrifying.
They’re going to build it in 2026 but it’ll still somehow be running on XP.
Modern nuclear reactors are designed to fail safely, so Windows couldn’t actually create a Chernobyl. Everything wrong with nuclear in our world is with old-gen plants. It’s a technology that got ahead of itself by 50 years.
Could be worse, could be running MacOS. Surely nothing bad can happen while the entire system freezes for no reason for 15 minutes or more without any possible input from the user. It will always fix it self… (hopefully before the reactor achieves a run away meltdown chain.)
A lot of them do IIRC, windows 98 is popping into my mind as an instance I’ve read of
Windows NT or 2000. Not 98.
Ah yes you’re correct, Windows 98 is (was?) the British nuclear submarines
Now THAT is wild as hell.
Reminds me of that time the technodork ran his minecraft reactor with opencomputers and lost his base because the computer blue screened. Almost as funny as that time the entire city lit up because they were using raw radio signals to control their reactor and a nearby thunderstrike instructed the reactor to drop all the fuel and go supercritical. This is why you add realism to video games, it leads to hilarious stuff like this.
EDIT: That was actually the same server where they sabotaged the entire electrical grid to blow up everyone’s base as a send-off and mine was the only one standing at the end because I was the only one who bothered to set up a surge protector under OHSA (Omega Haxors? Safety!? AHAHAHAH!) it just so happened that the system designed to save the grid from my many exploits just so happened to work in reverse.
I thought this crazy energy consumption shit would cool off a bit after assholes stopped bitcoin mining.
Glad AI stepped up so we can generate bad art and prose while buttfucking the planet
The planet will be alright. It will be lush green in a few million years when humans no longer exist.
The current ecosystem, though… yeah. Buttfucked.
Humans will exist. We will live in the sea and we will have flippers. Our brains will be smaller, but we will eat lots of fish.
Bold of you to assume we’ll still have fish after global warming, oil spills and micro plastics do their thing.
In that case, we’re all amoebas.
That doesn’t sound crass enough to grasp the full extend of the development. AI will take all of the energy. E v e r y t h I n g.
There won’t be a planet once there is a Dyson sphere. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere
I’ll be dead by then.
And in the end, the planet will be gone with or without AI. The sun will consume it at some point.
Ok, hear me out: crypto, based on “proof of training an AI”
If it takes so much power, it must be secure, and this way it wouldn’t be “totally wasted”…
Proof is a Turing test?
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The GPU manufacturers are having the time of their lives.
Cryptocoins, blockchain, NFTs, AI craze. It’s all the same people who think that the solution to the problems that capitalism has created is technology.
Yeah, it’s treating the symptoms… not the cause.
Better than coal or oil, it might even result in more R&D into reactor designs.
There’s no shortage of modern reactor designs. We have amazing stuff designed and even prototyped and proven - low waste, safely-failing reactors that basically can’t melt down. All we really lack is funding and regulatory clearance to build more.
Cortana, can you design a nuclear reactor to train you better?
Searching “Design a nuclear reactor to train you better” on Bing…
This is part of their plan to reduce carbon emissions.
This is what corporations mean when they say “reduce carbon emissions”
You say that like it’s a bad thing
It is, because corporate greenwashing will tell you that they reduced their emissions when all they did was scale up production using green energy. Their actual emissions didn’t go down they just went down relative to their growth.
I thought this was a generic nuclear bad response, but in that case I definitely agree.
So we finally get thorium power, but its only used to make celebrity porn for incels.
Honestly getting Thorium power AND never having Incels leave their home or interact with society again sounds like a win-win.
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requires an intensive carbon footprint
Maybe we should focus on the collapsing ecosystem then instead of training AI datasets.
Building and maintaining one isn’t really the concern I have with this one, nuclear reactors are incredibly safe these days. What are they going to do with the nuclear waste? That’s the real issue here. Governments can barely figure that out, how’s a megacorp going to do that in an ethical way? I already see them dumping it in a cave in some poor country in africa.
Governments can barely figure that out,
Governments aren’t exactly known for efficiency. A corporation is less likely to bogged down by just the mere fallacy that “other entities can’t figure it out, why should they do it?”
The human body produces a lot of electrical impulses. What if they just took all their workers and put them in some type of “work pod” and harnessed the energy to run the large scale AI?
This is what happens when you don’t teach your kids the Laws of Thermodynamics in school…
Just fill the Country with Solar, Wind and Water… won’t take 10 years and will be cheaper too.
Hydropower is about as bad for most ecosystems as burning fossil fuels. And its definitely not something that can be done quick or cheaply.
Whats the source on it being about as bad?
It releases methane, yes.
We don’t have to do hydro. Wind and the Sun are already plenty enough.UNs IPCC Reports https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/03/Chapter-5-Hydropower-1.pdf See fig 5.15. The outliers are the concern (and yes, it’s pretty much methane)
Edit: I reread the parent comment, the above won’t address what you asked for, but is interesting nonetheless so I’ll leave it
Thank you for the paper.
This does indeed clarify exact numbers that i didnt have.
https://ourworldindata.org/safest-sources-of-energy
Nuclear produces the least emissions over it’s life cycle and has a safety rating that flip flops with solar depending on how they want to classify accidents in construction and preparation.
If you want a sustainable, clean and reliable future, your power grid needs Wind, Solar and Nuclear. There is absolutely no reason to exclude Nuclear Power from any green energy plan.
Power density matters. And nuclear is pretty fucking dense haha
… for some applications. Not most tho. Really like 5. Everything else should be solar/wind/hydro
Hi bing. How do I stop a nuclear reactor from going critical?
For those correcting my error It was just a joke. The only things I know about nuclear power I learned from the simpsons and Kyle hill
Don’t turn it on? Critical means a reaction that is exactly self sustaining, i.e. a constant power level.
Burning 3 continents worth of coal to steal artwork at maximum efficiency.
Do nuclear reactors use coal?
No and ai doesn’t steal artwork either but this guy’s life sucks enough to lie about it I guess.
sorta does tho
It’s only stealing if you make it generate the copyrighted art and claim it as yours. Otherwise, it’s not any different than artists being inspired by existing art.
literally, no finding or law supports the claim you have made, but there are several cases that have been ruled contrary to your statement. now sure, these didn’t pertain directly to AI, but they did pertain to the argument of an artist “being inspired by existing art”
Tell me u know nothing about AI without telling me you know nothing about AI…lol
Yes, thanks for pointing out that you know nothing about “AI”, and by “AI” I assume you mean the iterative learning models.
Everyone’s life sucks. Don’t pretend that you aren’t feeling like shit because happy people don’t make comments like this.
Maybe for you, buddy.
Alright, enjoy then. No amount of denial is going to stop you from crying yourself to sleep.
🙄😚
Does it matter what they claim they’re going to do differently in the future when they’re burning indefensible amounts of coal right now?
Let’s not bring that X/Twitter shit to Lemmy.
I’m genuinely floored this is the comment you were replying to. What does that even mean??!
Saying training generative AI models on artists’ work as stealing artwork.
Because it literally is. If you knew the exact terms to get the the AI to recreate something in its training data, it could, 1:1. And if you ask it to create you something new, no matter what parameters you use it will look like a mess of garbage data. Generative AI is literally just art laundering just like how Language Models are writing laundering. We tend to use humanizing language but ultimately it’s a machine which uses a bunch of dials and levers to determine how much % a work should resemble one piece in its training at a particular point of the work and how much it should resemble another in another. There’s a reason why a lot of modern image bots have literal fucking watermarks all over their outputs. Because the images were flat out stolen.
The tech itself is pretty neat, you’re essentially making a virtual brain and having it do useful work, but ultimately all the capitalists running these tools see it as is another method to bring the public under their exclusive and totalitarian control. We could have had a cool roboartist putting out new and unique works but instead we get people losing their job because an inept system hyped up by silicon valley fart huffers claimed it could do their work for free and it only gets worse as these AIs use their own garbage outputs as training data.
If you knew the exact terms to get the the AI to recreate something in its training data, it could, 1:1.
That’s because you told it to. Don’t make it recreate existing art then.
And if you ask it to create you something new, no matter what parameters you use it will look like a mess of garbage data.
This is not always true. You can train it on a certain style and a photo of a random object, then have it generate an image of the random object in that style. It will “understand” the concept of a style and an object.
ultimately all the capitalists running these tools see it as is another method to bring the public under their exclusive and totalitarian control.
Exactly why I’m not supporting the closed source paid services (Midjourney, ChatGPT, Bing Chat, DALL-E etc.) and instead advocate for open source projects like Stable Diffusion and LLaMA.
That’s because you told it to. Don’t make it recreate existing art then.
If you took a random concept and explained it to a person they could using their existing knowledge set, draw it somewhat competently. That is because people are able to apply knowledge to make something new. If you told someone to recreate something that already exists, even if they’re a professional, would never be able to recreate it no matter how much time and effort the put into it. AI can do the latter because it’s basically copying, and it can’t do the former because there’s nothing to copy from.
If you took a random concept and explained it to a person they could using their existing knowledge set, draw it somewhat competently. That is because people are able to apply knowledge to make something new.
Theoretically it can, but it would involve meticulous and proper labeling of each training data. Currently most of the trained data are automatically labeled and they’re not descriptive/verbose enough. I believe the improvements from the latest version of DALL-E is due to OpenAI’s use of a more advanced image labeler.
I guess the rich don’t have an energy crisis.
I don’t get why a train AI would need so much power, how hard is it to drive a train?
Will the nuclear reactors be on the train with the AI, or will it be some sort of wired transfer?
If your train has a bad conductor, it will require more power.
Yeah tell me about it, I only have bad conductors.
I assume they can power the train AI by pantograph or third rail - no reason to have nuclear powered trains, this isn’t Factorio.
Not sure if you’re making fun or actually not understanding? To clarify, they need the power for training AI models. No trains are involved, neither passenger nor cargo – though atom powered trains sounds interesting as well!
Thank you, you are very kind. It was meant as a joke.
If they handle their nuclear reactor like they handle their cloud infrastructure security, we’re doomed.
I’m not opposed to new nuclear energy in principle. However Microsoft, an unrelentingly bad organization that consistently acts in bad faith to its customers, employees and businesses parters, and is seemingly dedicated to making awful products that never meaningfully improve, is not something I would trust to do nuclear safely.
