Yes, please, do it already!
Years ago, the EU parliament decided to abandon DST - with a vast majority. They sent it to the governments as “Homework” to determine whether to keep Summer- or Standard Time. Nothing came out of it.
They were asking for feedback and I sure wrote a bunch and sent an email or wtv it was supporting the idea of killing it please for yesterday.
They should obviously keep standard time. No one wants light at 10pm!!!
I would 100% rather light at 10pm than 4am where it’s totally wasted.
Current light breakdown in Ireland over the year:
I always forget how far north a lot of Europe is. The fact Dublin is further north than most Canadian major cities throws me for a loop
Yeah it’s one of those weird map oddities that’s more noticeable on a globe.
We are mega fucked here if the gulf of Mexico ever stops sending us that warm water goodness.
Literally the plot of “The Day after Tomorrow” although the movie is ridiculously over the top of course
The movie takes a real mechanism, a plausible concern, then cranks the intensity of the issue to eleven and uses that exaggerated catastrophe as foundation for its setting. It’s absurd in magnitude, but not in premise.
nah, I want to see the stars without having to stay up late, and light until 10pm would mess with my body’s schedule
No one wants light at 10pm!!!
I do
I stand corrected. People seem to love evening sunlight
I live in Spain, having light at 11 pm is pretty cool.
It is a bit more complicated. Back in the time (no pun intended) they made a mess by putting most of Europe in one time zone, from west of Spain to east of Poland. Which is 9° west to 28° east, more than 2 and a half time zones. Technically, Europe should split into at least two time zones. And this is going to be a mess.
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What’s the “logical” time zone?
The one closer to Spanish solar time, or the one shared by most EU countries, which facilitates trade and cross-border cooperation?
Pick real time and let people adjust their schedules. It’s easier and the science backs it up.
It doesn’t even matter which they pick, just pick one! We’re free to live our lives independently from the clock. There’s no natural law that states work starts at 8.
Isn’t the most important industry dependent(photosynthesis doesn’t wait for you) on the clock? I guess you mean the numbers we choose don’t really matter, then I agree.
Yes, it could say alpha for all I care. As you say, the sun dictates the day, not our clock, but the grindset is so entrenched that it’s easier to change clocks than individual work settings.
If Spain chooses to continue to synchronize opening hours with central Europe, they can do that regardless of what the number on the clock is.
Do it
UTC for all.
While summer time is better for daylight after work, winter time is the one where at 12 the sun is at the highest point.
At least in Germany, there is no winter time. There is normal time (Normalzeit) and summer time (Sommerzeit).
Depends on where you live. If youre west of Germany but on the mainland, winter is the one where the sun is highest between 1 and 2. Summer time is even worse though, between 2 and 3.
Thats a thing you cant decide right for all of europe.
It doesnt matter what you choose, some people and countrys will be mad, and other glad.
Just do it already
Even within countries, people disagree. People have different needs.
What’s preferred by Europeans, permanent standard time or permanent daylight time?
As a german, I’d prefer permanent daylight time, I want there to be longer light in the evening. I hate when during the winter months I leave the appartment when it is still dark outside and come back home when it’s already dusk.
That said, I can see why this wouldn’t work across the entire EU, Spain for example is already “an hour behind” in terms of daylight, because of their location, their DST means it’s probably light outside at 22:00
Fun fact, so is France Netherlands and Belgium. They should be on British time if the lines were drawn properly.
The reason they’re on German time? Nazis. They’re were switched to German time while occupied during WW2, and while debate raged afterward they ultimately stayed on German time.
In Iceland we have permanent Summer time and it’s great. We go to work in the dark in either case during winter but having some daylight until 4 or 5 makes a big difference.
Permanent no-time-change time
It’s in the article
Indeed, 84 percent of the 6.4 million Europeans who participated in a 2018 European Commission public consultation on the matter said the bloc should put an end to daylight saving time.
Eh often that’s said just to mean end switching, without specifying which one to end up on.
Honestly, either way people and companies could adjust their hours to fit their needs.
Yes.
Since nobody can agree on which time to keep I doubt it’ll lead to anything. By now I’ve kinda gotten used to it anyway.
Nobody agrees on which one is better but I’d say a majority agrees that sticking to one is better
That’s like saying we can’t agree if we want burgers or steak so let’s all have nothing instead
That’s exactly what it’s like, which is why I suspect you’ll all be enjoying a nice big slab of nothing.
Meet in the middle, and be done with it. Instead of going back an hour this weekend. Go back a half hour, and just leave it there forever.
Tell that to the people who lose an hours’ worth of pay every year to the companies that happily adjust their timecards in the fall and then all too conveniently forget to fix them in the spring.
Any particular reason why a sovereign country can’t just decide to do this on its own? Why does it have to be a pan-european thing?
Time chaos in EU.
Imagine organizing military responses or shipping logistics when you can go under an hour then forward and then under an hour again just crossing 3 countries.
Time bandits even!
Now that’s a reference 👌
Eh, it works fine in Arizona. The US uses daylight savings, but Arizona doesn’t, except for some of the reservations in Arizona that do. You can go forward and back an hour twice just crossing Arizona
Ninja edit: As I say that, I remember why I even know that - I once spent an entire morning working out a bug in one of my daily jobs. Turned out because a team member in Arizona wrote the script and scheduled it, and a different team member not in Arizona wrote an orchestration to collect results, they ended up off-sync once daylight savings hit. Maybe it doesn’t work
Just make it happen already!
“To kill me you must get up earlier, Spain!”
I don’t see why some people are so hung-up on this. We have much much bigger fish to fry.
It’s a good thing most things aren’t a single track queue then. Are democratic governments slow? Yes. Do they handle 1000’s of things in parallel? Also, yes.
Believe it or not, but not everything is a psyop to distract from the Epstein files.
