Can’t do much on US servers at the moment…
Donald Trump threatens retaliatory tariffs if Europe enforces its own rules. He brands the taxation of US tech giants on par with European firms, the user rights enshrined in the Digital Services Act, and the competition sanctions under the Digital Markets Act as discrimination against US companies—essentially demanding that Europe renounce its own democratic rules in the digital realm.
We all know this, but it bears repeating.
I hope both EU politicians and the EU countries’ politicians will recognize the full extent to which the USA is not our ally or even willing partner anymore. (Slow) efforts towards digital sovereignty have been there for a while, but the urgency has increased by orders of magnitude, yet many still follow the old playbook where the USA is our “friend”.
That’s the same manipulative bullshit that was sold by the Brexiteers. Keeping rules aligned is in everyone’s interest to make trade easy. The US wants to make it easy for its tech companies. Europe wants to make it easy for eg its car manufacturers. If you’re aware of Dieselgate, then you know that Europe can’t claim the moral high ground.
Of course, the internet is trickier in that regard in that we all share it, in a sense. You can see the problem in the current exchange between 4chan and the UK. The UK demands that the Americans at 4chan follow its own democratic rules, which is not what I’d call democratic. The UK will have to create a national firewall to police communications.
Of course, the internet is trickier in that regard in that we all share it, in a sense. You can see the problem in the current exchange between 4chan and the UK. The UK demands that the Americans at 4chan follow its own democratic rules, which is not what I’d call democratic. The UK will have to create a national firewall to police communications.
It is not tricky. You want to have business in one country, you follow the law of the country. You don’t agree ? You exit the country.
It is as simple as that. And that is true also for the US tech giantsYou feel that 4chan is in the UK. Can you explain how that feeling comes about?
I know 4chan is not in UK. Neverthless you need to follow the laws of the country you offer service to.
Being in US is not a free pass to not abide the UK’s laws, if you want to have a presence in UK. As I said, you don’t like them, do not offer the service.To be clear: You are in good company with that attitude. Lawmakers seem to view things the same way as you. I’m just trying to learn more about how that view comes about.
Is not a problem with the lawmakers, it is to respect the law of the country in which you offer a “service”. And it is valid also for web sites. Now, I suppose you would agree that Amazon US cannot sell me (in Italy) an item that was not legal here, like gun, am I correct ? Like we in EU cannot sell an item to US customers since it is not legal in US. Then depending on the item, there can be a US version and a EU version (think cars probably).
So, why a US site should not respect also the laws of the country the pages are visible ?
I completely agree that the UK’s law is beyound stupid, but still, if you want to operate somehow in UK you need to follow it.
You can fight it, no doubt, and even violate it, if you are willing to accept the consequences, but here 4chan has simply a binary choice: follow it or block access from UK.Now, I suppose you would agree that Amazon US cannot sell me (in Italy) an item that was not legal here, like gun, am I correct ?
If you, being in Italy, caused an American to send a gun from the US to Italy, I believe Italy would prosecute you for gun smuggling. It would confiscate and possibly destroy the contraband. But I don’t think they would try to prosecute the American. I’ve never heard of such a thing.
Do you think maybe feelings on such matters are changing?
What does it mean to offer a service in country?
The pages are visible from a person navigating from UK.
Stole “Hadrian’s Firewall” off another lemmy comment. Perfect, ain’t it?
Brilliant.
What about the EU counterpart? How about “Atlantik Feuerwall”? The British tabloids would love it.
Fire limes has a nice ring to it.
Hmm. Reference not clear enough. I wouldn’t have got it without the link. But I do like the idea of calling it the Maginot line of the internet.
Which shows that the EU isn’t worried by what is happening in the US. That could worry us.
Places in Germany and Denmark are moving not only away from US servers but US software.
The reason is “digital sovereignty”
So they’re investing in open source solutions. If it works there will be a reason and options to move for political reasons.
If it works and saves money expect a bigger shift.
I’m not sure I get what you’re saying.
That the EU is not worried about the status quo? That’s false.
What makes you think so? They invest something like €3 billion in AI. For hyperscalers I am not aware of anything. IT is investor driven and within the EU there is not enough capital to compete. So the EU must have accepted to be dependend on US services.
Now, more than ever, its time for european digital autonomy.
These people are completely divorced from reality. I think they don’t even know what the laws they negotiate mean.
