Please literally replace any instance of “German’s Merz” with “Coal, Gas & Car lobby”
Please literally replace any instance of “German’s Merz” with “Coal, Gas & Car lobby”
On the topic (autotranslated):
“PURPLE – Change from the VDA”: A leaked position paper from the Union shows how the party allows entire passages to be dictated by the automotive industry lobby association. No problem for the CDU.
Merz: „I am the lobby.“ (in Palpatine‘s voice.)
The ironic thing is that all this won’t help the German car industry at all. The transition to EVs is inevitable and it is coming fast. For Germany, this means that a lot of people in so far pretty well-off regions are either going to need new jobs, or will depend on welfare - the same way as coal workers in the Ruhr area in the 1980ies, or ship builders in Bremerhaven, Glasgow and Manchester in the 90ies.
And that’s also the consequence of using a “market-driven approach”. If you want the market to take care of the clean energy transition by pricing, you accept that any companies that don’t adapt will go bust.
It’s not a combustion engine ban. it’s about not producing new ones.
It’s a phase out, right?
I am so fucking fed up with every right wing numbnut calling it a combustion engine ban. It does not ban combustion engines.
All manufacturers need to do, is make their combustion engines clean, then they can continue selling them 2035 and beyond. But it’s obvious, they are incapable of doing so, combustion engines have been pretty stagnant, almost as if they have reached their limits…
Hmm, I wonder if there’s a coordinated effort by lobbies to have this kind of plans scrapped. Knowing the car and oil industry, probably.
Or this is probably just a coincidence: Quebec government lifts planned 2035 ban on gas-powered vehicle sales
A paper was recently leaked that the CDU‘s (Merz’s party) position on these topics is directly dictated by the car industry.
Hmm, I wonder if there’s a coordinated effort by lobbies to have this kind of plans scrapped. Knowing the car and oil industry, probably.
I like to think that finally they realized that even this, like most of the green target approved with the past years to please the Green Party, is nice in theory but completely impracticable in the timeframe they set. And the problem are not the car manufacturers, but all the infrastructure you need to set up even before starting to phase out ICE cars.
But even if somehow (in the form of “somehow Palpatine return”) you would be able to convert all the car production infrastructure, which means to convert a lot more industries that the car manufacturers, you have the problem to set up all the support infrastructure for the EV cars, like a lot more public charger (ideally one for every gas station), how to solve the problem to install charger in places like historical inner center of cities, in condos which have not the space to install them and things like this.
Not to mention the need to produce a lot more electricity and upgrade the grid so that it can transport a lot more energy also to every little small village in the nation (big cities have public transports, but most of the people do not live in big cities)
So yes, switch to EV cars is a nice idea, but to set a deadline to produce ICE car without starting to plan how to make the transition is stupid.
Maybe Germany should scrap Merz instead?
I just hope the other EU countries do not allow this.
No paywall: https://archive.is/SUJqL
“We made the wrong decision, and we will correct it,” said the German chancellor at a conference of his SME association in Cologne. He would “put a spoke in Brussels’ wheel.”
It’s insane how they fetishize fossiles.
It’s insane how they fetishize fossiles.
Ok, quick question: do you really think that all the infrastructures are ready to handle, let’s say, a 50% increase in EV cars ?
2035 is 10 years.
Which is a terribly short period if you need to update the grid nation (and continent) wide.
You must consider that probably most of the people would live in small cities/villages. In Italy for example, only about 30% of the people live in cities with more than 50000 residents (which are a total of 136 cities out of 7896 total).
So, assuming that you are able to increase the production to the required level, in 10 years you are maybe able to upgrade the grid of the bigger cities (which itself is a nice feat, given the problems they have) but then you left out most of your population.
Can the infrastructure handle the increase right now if we do nothing? No. The question is “will it be ready?”. And yes, they can and will be in 2035. Studies predict readyness for substantial growth by around 2027-30 in Europe, provided further investment.
I haven’t read them all, but here are some sources: https://www.acea.auto/press-release/powering-europes-green-freight-future-acea-and-eurelectric-call-for-urgent-grid-reform-and-investment/ https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/grid-agency-confirms-plans-five-new-large-scale-power-transmission-lines-germany https://te-cdn.ams3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/files/2023_07_TE_AFIR_grid_readiness_final.pdf https://www.sei.org/perspectives/blackouts-arent-new-but-is-europes-grid-ready-for-the-next-one
Also, renewables have already overtaken coal as the biggest source of electricity. So it shouldn’t be a question of lacking energy. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2rz08en2po
The question is “will it be ready?”. And yes, they can and will be in 2035. Studies predict readyness for substantial growth by around 2027-30 in Europe, provided further investment.
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"provided further investment."is the key point. What I see is that they want to ban the production of ICE engine in 2035 but they are doing nothing to have the infrastructure ready.
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Or it is just the realization that even if the cars manufactures are ready to switch (which they are not), all the remaining infrastructurea are not even remotely ready and need a lot more time.
Giving more time will not change the infrastructure. Under capitalism, you need financial pressure to force change. And loosing money because you cannot sell your cars any longer is financial pressure to achieve change.
Correct. And the financial pressure is not setting a date and then let the others sort out the thing. The financial pressure that EU applied is not the financial pressure the manufacturer understand, they can simply reduce the number of people.
A smarter way to do it would be to create the condition to have the transition to EV, not to impose it.
Set up a way to directly give money to who install recharger at home, force the states of the union to make laws that made mandatory to have charger for every new construction and make easier install them in the already present houses, things like this.Then you have a request for EV cars that manufacturers cannot underestimate and, more importantly, they are relatively sure that if they start to build EV cars they will sold them.






