The Russian Federation will take the part of Ukraine that wanted to join them for decades(, like Transcarpathia voted for autonomy since 1991 but wasn’t ever heard) ; while the European Union will also take the part of Ukraine that wants to join them.
I don’t see that as unjust, but Odessa and Transnistria remain “problems” to be solved, what do they want : autonomy, Europe, Russia ?
Edit : Oh. You didn’t know that Crimea and the Donbass voted for decades to join the Russian Federation ? That’s what happens when you only read western medias.
Now we’ll make a point of refusing Ukraine’s demilitarization, in order to prepare its revenge, because that’s a lot of lost territory and they won’t accept it, it’ll be a permanent risk, a thorn in Russia’s side, we’ll see.
Edit : Oh. You didn’t know that Crimea and the Donbass voted for decades to join the Russian Federation ? That’s what happens when you only read western medias.
They could have voted for whatever they wanted, the problem is that Russia invaded another country. So maybe to join Russia they should have obtained indipendence from Ukraine and then asked to join Russia.
Look, here in Italy there are regions in the north that wanted to be part of another countries, they consider themself part of another county. But that it is not a justification for that another country to invade these regions that are part of Italy.
Do you know who did the same way that Putin to annex regions this way ? Hitler.
It’s cool to kill a bunch of people if some people want to be part of a different nation but aren’t willing to emigrate there? Get your head out of your ass.
Or the pro-Europe can emigrate there, and what if they love their lands ? Refusing to allow a referendum(, or to recognize the previous ones,) is the side you’re ending up defending then. Ideally, that’d be a more peaceful(&democratic) way of resolving such problems. I can’t blame Ukraine for choosing power over justice, that’s what most countries do(, exception, or not).
Some ukrainians have chosen Russia, others Europe, so be it.
Well, ideally, instead of having to choose between the european union and the russian federation, we’d all be united in diversity, in city-states with very different laws, and without ever having to fear for our safety(, which is always the n°1 reason we(sterners)&others invoke to be agressive).
Your refuse to allow a referendum for all of the rest of us commenters to change your opinion. You see the votes and yet you’re unwilling to change. You leave us no choice but to invade your comments for the sake of all the other commenters you’re oppressing that want you to change your opinion.
🪖🪖🪖🪖🪖🪖🪖 “Let’s go make his opinions better and free his head from the oppressive imprisonment of Buttistan!”
Not sure if you want an answer, but :
If we were on lemmygrad or hexbear it’d be the opposite ? That’s one thing that’s great with Lemmy, there’s no sitewide “moderation” like reddit(, until state censorship laws start invading our internet, which shouldn’t take much longer now, as always in the name of safety).
The members of feddit.org should decide the future of feddit.org, and the members of lemmygrad should do the same.
Similarly for Lviv, Transnistria, Crimea, the Donbass, Kiev, Odessa, Transcarpathia, …
(sry if you didn’t need an answer, i like that you’re against wars and this opposition is a good compass. We(sterners) got as much as we could from the eastern side of the Iron Curtain, and didn’t spare our efforts to get Ukraine as well, i can’t help but see the ukrainian bourgeoisie at work there as well as here, they won’t bite the hand that fed them. Russia fell low, but is raising fast and the “neutral” ukrainians that aren’t in/against either side kinda forgot about China, their news could be full of its amazing progress, it’d give hope, there’s a glorious future for Russia ahead and they could be part of it, in the name of the past. It’d be a loss for the little european union though, who lost its colonies and don’t want to expand in ‘islamic territories’/‘the sole other direction available to them’.)
Lol remember when everyone thought The Russian Federation had a scary army? Then they invaded Ukraine and the whole world saw how shit Russia’s army actually was.
The Russian Federation will take the part of Ukraine that wanted to join them for decades(, like Transcarpathia voted for autonomy since 1991 but wasn’t ever heard) ; while the European Union will also take the part of Ukraine that wants to join them.
I don’t see that as unjust, but Odessa and Transnistria remain “problems” to be solved, what do they want : autonomy, Europe, Russia ?
Edit : Oh. You didn’t know that Crimea and the Donbass voted for decades to join the Russian Federation ? That’s what happens when you only read western medias.
Now we’ll make a point of refusing Ukraine’s demilitarization, in order to prepare its revenge, because that’s a lot of lost territory and they won’t accept it, it’ll be a permanent risk, a thorn in Russia’s side, we’ll see.
They could have voted for whatever they wanted, the problem is that Russia invaded another country. So maybe to join Russia they should have obtained indipendence from Ukraine and then asked to join Russia.
Look, here in Italy there are regions in the north that wanted to be part of another countries, they consider themself part of another county. But that it is not a justification for that another country to invade these regions that are part of Italy.
Do you know who did the same way that Putin to annex regions this way ? Hitler.
It’s cool to kill a bunch of people if some people want to be part of a different nation but aren’t willing to emigrate there? Get your head out of your ass.
Or the pro-Europe can emigrate there, and what if they love their lands ? Refusing to allow a referendum(, or to recognize the previous ones,) is the side you’re ending up defending then. Ideally, that’d be a more peaceful(&democratic) way of resolving such problems. I can’t blame Ukraine for choosing power over justice, that’s what most countries do(, exception, or not).
Some ukrainians have chosen Russia, others Europe, so be it.
Well, ideally, instead of having to choose between the european union and the russian federation, we’d all be united in diversity, in city-states with very different laws, and without ever having to fear for our safety(, which is always the n°1 reason we(sterners)&others invoke to be agressive).
Your refuse to allow a referendum for all of the rest of us commenters to change your opinion. You see the votes and yet you’re unwilling to change. You leave us no choice but to invade your comments for the sake of all the other commenters you’re oppressing that want you to change your opinion.
🪖🪖🪖🪖🪖🪖🪖 “Let’s go make his opinions better and free his head from the oppressive imprisonment of Buttistan!”
Not sure if you want an answer, but :
If we were on lemmygrad or hexbear it’d be the opposite ? That’s one thing that’s great with Lemmy, there’s no sitewide “moderation” like reddit(, until state censorship laws start invading our internet, which shouldn’t take much longer now, as always in the name of safety).
The members of feddit.org should decide the future of feddit.org, and the members of lemmygrad should do the same.
Similarly for Lviv, Transnistria, Crimea, the Donbass, Kiev, Odessa, Transcarpathia, …
(sry if you didn’t need an answer, i like that you’re against wars and this opposition is a good compass. We(sterners) got as much as we could from the eastern side of the Iron Curtain, and didn’t spare our efforts to get Ukraine as well, i can’t help but see the ukrainian bourgeoisie at work there as well as here, they won’t bite the hand that fed them. Russia fell low, but is raising fast and the “neutral” ukrainians that aren’t in/against either side kinda forgot about China, their news could be full of its amazing progress, it’d give hope, there’s a glorious future for Russia ahead and they could be part of it, in the name of the past. It’d be a loss for the little european union though, who lost its colonies and don’t want to expand in ‘islamic territories’/‘the sole other direction available to them’.)
Lol remember when everyone thought The Russian Federation had a scary army? Then they invaded Ukraine and the whole world saw how shit Russia’s army actually was.