• Mountain_Mike_420@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    Please don’t give kids smartphones period. A smart watch is far less addictive and just as valuable to parents and kids (parents can track location, kids can still make phone calls and txt.) other suggestions are a dumb phone (think t9 txting), or just let them go phoneless.

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    1 year ago

    I will argue smartphones or any electronic is not the problem. The problem is lazy parents.

    My kids all have had phones since before 10 and they’re all well adjusted but to be clear I monitor their usage and I check in with my kids regularly.

    I cannot hold back society or technology at the fear of my kids being left behind. What I can do is help them navigate both as they grow.

    I love how quick we are to lay the blame anywhere but parents.

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    1 year ago

    My kids are around that age and it’s a real struggle when all of their friends have one.

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    1 year ago

    Just don’t do it people. Me and so many parents have horror stories. Even without social media these phone numbers get out one way or another. For us it was much more trouble than it was worth.

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      1 year ago

      I haven’t had a problem.

      iPhone with Screen time and communication limits means I can control how much time they spend in the device and in which apps and I control who they can contact.

      Don’t approve any apps that allow social features.

      Talk to them about the realities of the internet and the wider world.

      All of this has to happen at some point. If you just hand off a phone to an 11 year old or even a 14 year old workout doing any of the above, you’re still going to have issues.

      Much of what is being said about tech is the same as was said about tv and video games. The only studies you’re going to hear about this are the ones that confirm the societal biases.

      If you don’t seek counter opinions of this topic you’re playing into the same fear mongering every generation of parents has had about the new thing.

      Dancing, rock and roll, tv, video games, and now phones. Every time, everyone thinks this time is different and every time it hasn’t been.

  • John_CalebBradberton@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Don’t give them a phone until they are prepared to see everything the Internet has. Kids can be smart and will find ways around the blocks you put in place.

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      1 year ago

      The thing I tell people is that as a parent, you are going to put maybe a few hours into blocking them from getting to stuff. They are then going to spend as much time as they want trying to get through it. You can dig through concrete with a spoon if you’re patient enough.

      Educate them, and give them access when they’re responsible enough

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        That’s the real problem, kids being able to spend unlimited time unsupervised because they have horrible absent parents. Parents shouldnt let their kids have unrestricted time like that. That is one reason why kids suffer in school not because of phones; because their parents aren’t involved to guide them in making good choices and forcing good habits.

        So we take away the phones as the luddites demand. What fills the gap? Definitely not independent learning. Most definitely not suddenly mindful and present parents.

        There is a lot of fear mongering and blaming, but no actual effort to fix it. Banning or removing doesn’t fix it. There is a reason that, when absent parents for latchkey kids were huge problems, they didn’t simply decree gangs illegal and pat themselves on the back. Communities offered alternatives. But no alternative is being offered here. All the woes are shifted onto the unholy smartphone and internet.

        Ya know why predators can find success online? Because shit parents don’t parent. A better use of resources would be forcing the parents to sacrifice their phones contingent on spending time with their kids, right?

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      1 year ago

      Is that a step further though? I feel like not giving kids access to VR Chat comes way before not giving them a smartphone in terms of restrictiveness or severity. It’s a far more reasonable suggestion.

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        1 year ago

        Both… but a Quest is mainly designed for gaming, where a smartphone is designed to do everything. The smartphone restriction is an easy one to recommend.

  • werefreeatlast@lemmy.worldBanned
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    Yes, don’t do it. It’s a bad idea. Phones are addicting and one day when we all realize this, we will have laws to prevent it.

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      Because all of our current laws work so well at preventing access to addictive things. /s