“Canonical only having snap releases was harmful to adoption. I liked using lxd, but uninstalled snapd (forgetting lxd used it), and my vms obviously stopped. Snap wouldn’t reinstall properly (various inscrutable errors), so I moved it all over to libvirt. I’d still be happily using lxd if it weren’t for Canonical’s snap-pushing. That’s my anecdote of one.”

-mkj

(I’m not mkj so…, but I think most users are quite against enforcement of snapd)

      • neuromancer@lemmy.world
        7·
        2 years ago

        They want Ubuntu users to use snap, which unsurprisingly isn’t very popular.

        One of the main arguments for picking Ubuntu over Debian was the installation process, but Debian made the installation process much easier, by allowing non-free firmware.

        Ubuntu got worse, and Debian got better, anyone unhappy with Ubuntu should just switch to Debian with Gnome and the problem is largely solved.

        • InverseParallax@lemmy.worldEnglish
          41·
          2 years ago

          Also debian used to have ancient packages, or broken ones in testing. Now stable is fairly up to date so Ubuntu lost its value, it was just a newer stable really.

    • Rhabuko@feddit.de
      22·
      2 years ago

      It still has the most software support for causal users if you don’t want to go the Arch route and trust the AUR. But I think this will change with the rise of Immutable Distros, that will become the standard for people who just want a stable system that works + Flatpaks.

      • woelkchen@lemmy.world
        8·
        2 years ago

        It still has the most software support for causal users if you don’t want to go the Arch route and trust the AUR.

        What software do you think casuals use these days? The casual home user wants Chrome and literally nothing more. That’s how they can consume YouTube, Spotify, pirate movie streams, and web games. In the last 20 or so years the average PC user has been gradually become more and more computer illiterate. If you are a PC gamer who actually installs games to the hard drive, you’re way above the average already.

        • Rhabuko@feddit.de
          2·
          2 years ago

          With causal user, I mean someone who hasn’t a deep understanding of their OS and not someone who only does the most basic stuff. Maybe wrong choice of words. Causual users like you described are a dying minority since Smartphones and tablets are enough for the most basic tasks these days.

        • InverseParallax@lemmy.worldEnglish
          51·
          2 years ago

          This is new, debian used to be either way behind or broken for less popular packages, but that has completely reversed over the past decade, people just haven’t gotten over the perception yet.

    • CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml
      11·
      2 years ago

      True. I installed this OS, deleted a random component without any dependency analysis and it broke. Plz help.

  • StarkillerX42@lemmy.ml
    23·
    2 years ago

    How Canonical seems to keep doubling down on snaps despite large push back from the community reminds me of Reddit’s API change. I didn’t see an end in sight, which is what pushed me to Fedora.