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    What AI products, except their broken self driving feature, does tesla sell?

    Is every other manufacturer of cars with any self driving type functionality now an “AI” company to you?

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        What? you entirely missed the point. you are adding nuance where none is required.

        Tesla is a car company. Just because musk says “we are AI now” doesn’t just magically make it so.

        I could form a company that makes shoes. Can I suddenly announce I am an AI company?

        Sure, maybe I use AI in my production, and maybe even develop my own models.

        But its still a shoe company.

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      Tesla has always invested heavily in their software. Just because it has always been shitty doesn’t diminish that it was an outsized part of their business model, especially compared to other car companies

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        always invested heavily in their software

        So wait, are you now saying they are a technology company? Can you please try and keep your mental gymnastics consistent?

        Are you implying all car manufacturers are now AI or Technology companies? And are no longer automotive manufacturers?

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          Why must tech company and car company be mutually exclusive? Certainly the amount of technology (including ML) present in cars has increased exponentially in the last decade.

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              I suppose I define AI company differently than you do. In my mind if a company is investing a large chunk of its operations budget in AI R&D, it is an AI company.

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                By your logic tesla is also a logistics company (shipping cars), an industrial manufacturer of plant machinery (the machines to build the cars), a battery company (buying and investing in battery technology).

                what do you call tesla? “An automotive, AI, logistics, industrial plant manufacturing, battery company”?

                Do you agree with amber heard “I use pledging and donating as the same thing” when they clearly are not the same thing?

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                  Tesla sells a shitload of batteries outside of their cars, so yeah I’d say they’re a battery company.

                  They also sell the FSD software, which is “AI” so they do have an AI offering, for some definition of AI.

                  Also, they sell solar panels, so they’re a solar panel company.

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                    Can I buy a battery for my EV from Tesla? Or do you mean their integrated home battery pack?

                    Can I buy FSD for my vehicle even though it isn’t a tesla?

                    Sure, they sell solar and a home battery pack.

                    Has tesla ever advertised themselves as an Energy Company? Have they ever advertised themselves as anything other an automotive company until musk decided to say “We AI company now”?

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                  I would absolutely call Tesla a battery company. Would you not? They’ve invested a huge amount in battery R&D and sell them direct to consumers as well as use them in their cars. The rest of that stuff isn’t something they invested heavily in developing, ie. they didn’t invest R&D in developing new logistics technology for shipping cars.

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                    Any company that invests money into something is suddenly also part of that entire industry and they can label themselves whatever they please. Gotcha.

                    The supermarket I used to work for is now a software company, as they build software in house

                    The insurance company I used to work for is now an AI company, as we internally developed and used machine learning models.