• RustyEarthfire@lemmy.world
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    I think transforming “it’s possible to think without language” into “language is not a tool for thought” is an overreach. Definitely a lot of our internal voice is post-thought, but crystalizing those thoughts into words can provide footholds for further thought. Some would argue it’s not possible to think through a complex issue without writing:

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    And it’s not unreasonable to expect that well-spoken, articulate individuals are also clear thinkers.

    Yeah no. Aren’t there some workshops for CEO’s and managers & co. who try to learn the creative thinking of neurodiverses? Because we usually think without words, we “translate” afterwards.
    Thinking is actually more efficient without language. I don’t know of any neurotypicals who think about deep physics for fun.

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      There have been studies suggesting prefrontal synthesis (the ability to consciously construct novel mental images) doesn’t develop in humans unless they learn a language before the age of five or so.

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    This is pretty interesting. I mean I’ve seen dogs dream vividly and am not quite sure how much I believe all them Babe the Pig-alike movies. :)

    But I think the definition of a thought is a problem here. Everything we say (or contemplate of saying or trying to remember) is also a thought which precedes our verbal output. Those thoughts will inevitably be in a language of our preference. And actually in process of learning a new language that is often times the pivotal point - once your thoughts switch to a new language, you know you adapted it.

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    I would argue he shouldn’t argue it since language isn’t a tool for thought. Maybe try hooting I hear owls are smart.