So I took the plunge and installed Fedora Silverblue because of all that immutable buzz. And it’s the most frustrating change I have made in almost 20 years of my distrohopping.

After installing Silverblue I configured it as usual. I installed necessary flatpaks, played with toolbox and distrobox, installed codecs, configured my bluetooth keyboard and other stuff in /etc and /var. Applied some useful tweaks I found on the web and… well… everything works. Nothing to do anymore. No issues. Nothing breaks, no dependency hell, everything runs smooth. I have nothing to tweak, tinker or configure anymore. So frustrating.

Every update is just… meh. Smooth, new, fresh system not affected by my stupid tweaking and breaking. Booooring.

I don’t have to distrohop anymore. If I want other distros I can just install them in distrobox. Other versions of apps? Something from AUR perhaps…? No problem. What’s the point of distrohopping now? Other DEs? I just rebase my system to other images with almost any DE or WM I want without losing data or messing everything up (damn you, UBlue!).

I don’t even have to reinstall the damn thing cause every time I update the system or rebase it to another image it’s like reinstalling it.

Silverblue killed distrohopping for me. Really frustrating.

  • banazir@lemmy.ml
    43·
    1 year ago

    Oh man. I’m so sorry for your loss. May your system break at some vague point in the future in a way that is nigh impossible to diagnose and that no one else seems to have experienced. Godspeed, you unwillingly content penguin!

    • Vilian@lemmy.ca
      3·
      1 year ago

      that the thing, if it breaks, the roolback is there or simply rebase without merging /etc, so basically a factory reset

  • Lung@lemmy.world
    29·
    1 year ago

    I’m honestly so trolled, I hate change & hate the idea that something might be better than my existing Arch install. I hate that security, reliability, and flexibility are improved. I cope by reminding myself that I’m very low on disk space right now, for the needed extra partitions

    • barsquid@lemmy.world
      5·
      1 year ago

      If you have a spare homelab machine Fedora does an immutable build called IoT (they branded it wrong it’s just a barebones install appropriate for servers also).

  • macniel@feddit.de
    13·
    1 year ago

    Is this a First Linux-World Problem? :D

    To me, I like how clean and coherent GNOME looks like, but what I don’t like about it, is how hostile it is in regarding of themeing/coloring.

      • macniel@feddit.de
        5·
        1 year ago

        Yeah I get the rational, and that DEs shouldn’t theme them apps but I want to have some sort of customization (not just an accent color).

      • GravitySpoiled@lemmy.mlEnglish
        2·
        1 year ago

        I don’t support that some want to push their own theme. Just use the provided theme. You may create your own custom theme but that should be able to be used everywhere. App icons can be part of a theme.

  • geoma@lemmy.ml
    6·
    1 year ago

    AAMOF, I install Fedora Kinoite (Like silverblue but KDE plasma) to people coming from windows, first GNU/Linux Experience.Practically unbreakable. does its work.

    • KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.worldOP
      5·
      1 year ago
      Toolbox create  
Toolbox enter

      Now you have a standard Fedora command line system that shares your home folder but otherwise has its own filesystem.
      There’s more options (like using other distro’s), but it’s really not complicated.

      To install CLI stuff that needs to access your host system’s root files, use rpm-ostree (but if you need a lot of that, use a non-immutable distro instead).

      I actually use neither anymore. My stuff I actually want to work with is in home and I have no need to tinker on this system, cause it just works.

  • yak@feddit.it
    6·
    1 year ago

    But well, if that helps, look at the bright side: while it’s true that it’ll almost never give you problems, I think it’s true that the time the problems will happen, they will be pretty hard to solve, so it might break very bad. That’s great, isn’t it?

    Don’t tell me that this thing just cannot breaks. If that was even possible, that’d be tremendously evil.

    • barsquid@lemmy.world
      3·
      1 year ago

      I’m trying to make a TPM chip work out of curiosity and it has been frustrating. Does that help?

    • Vilian@lemmy.ca
      2·
      1 year ago

      bro, trust me i tried to break it, i booted without kernel parameters, my system didn’t even had a root partition, shit was craze, and it didn’t have a /home, rolled back just fine

      -rebase from different fedora versions, i couldn’t even login because of kernel versions(yeah even trying to login as root didn’t work)

      but, i read a history that happened a bug in ostree, in the early days, and the devs needed to ask the users to fix it manually, but was when in the start of silverblue

      • yak@feddit.it
        1·
        1 year ago

        That really sucks, sorry to hear that man. It seems honestly pretty bad and I really have to stay away from this distro.

        Only RedHat could have conceived something this evil. Of course is RedHat, who else could it have been?

        But…!

        but, i read a history that happened a bug in ostree, in the early days, and the devs needed to ask the users to fix it manually, but was when in the start of silverblue

        This. This is really giving me hope. It kind of confirms what I was saying too. You see? It almost never breaks. But when it breaks, oh man! It breaks very hard indeed.

        Never give up mate, that thing is gonna break somehow, sooner or later. It has to.

  • Caveman@lemmy.world
    5·
    1 year ago

    I’ve been running Bazzite based on silverblue on my desktop for remote gaming and dockering. Everything was amazing until I started doing some mid-level docker stuff because of the rigidity of the distro.

    Podman largely works but since it’s rootless it won’t have access to mounted drives easily due to SELinux.

    Mounting a drive automatically wasn’t intuitive either and I ended up editing the /etc/fstab manually.

    Setting up a swapfile was also tedious, I needed more than 8GB so I made a 32GB swapfile but I still had to run a sudo command on startup since I’m not really confident with creating a systemd service on an immutable distro.

    All in all I should have just gone for Nobara or a regular Fedora but that’s because I have a really edge use-case.

    That being said I still highly recommend it. It’s stable, easy to “rebase-hop” and everything just works well and it’s very stable. I’d recommend it for pretty much anyone unless you’re going to do some heavy self hosting with multiple HDs.

  • youmaynotknow@lemmy.ml
    4·
    1 year ago

    I had an entirely different experience with Bazzite. It would not boot to Wayland after an update, so I had to boot to xorg, reboot, and then wayland would work, until the last update where Wayland just wouldn’t work anymore, so I ended up going back to Fedora Workstation.

  • flyhunter@lemmy.world
    3·
    1 year ago

    Installed Aurora the other day (distro based on kinoite) and could not make my bank software run… It is a “local” (ie, only used by banks in my country) software only available for Ubuntu that requires a systemd service. Tried a lot and couldn’t get it to work. The service started, but the browser accused it was not installed.

    • KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.worldOP
      2·
      1 year ago

      I’m guessing the service wants to edit something it can’t edit on Silverblue. So the software is simply incompatible with your OS (as stated in the documentation)