• LeFantome@programming.dev
    132·
    1 year ago

    I want everybody to get this stuff as soon as possible but, in this case, I agree with Ubuntu.

    They do not support Wayland on NVIDIA in 24.04 at all. So, this cannot be a bug fix. It has been worked on for a long time. It is a new feature.

  • macniel@feddit.de
    188·
    1 year ago

    Well fuck Canonical.

    But second, if this explicit sync fixes flickering… Then it’s a Bugfix thus a minor patch, no?

    So to iterate on point 1: fuck Canonical.

    • Ephera@lemmy.ml
      5·
      1 year ago

      I don’t think, it really matters whether it fixes a bug. This is about how many code changes it makes and therefore how many new bugs, it potentially introduces.

      This explicit sync thingamabob was definitely a bigger code change.

      I do find it weird that Ubuntu terminates this exception, seemingly from one disagreement, but hard to say what went on behind the scenes beforehand. And as the other guy pointed out, I don’t think the impact of this decision is that big, so I’m not sure, it deserves infinite scrutiny…

  • Hector@lemmy.ca
    102·
    1 year ago

    A much needed feature gets released quicker than usual for the benefit of users and they complain about broken faith? They could have just delayed the release until they tested it thoroughly. Using that kind of wording makes me feel they’re just in for the drama.

    • bjorney@lemmy.ca
      9·
      1 year ago

      GNOME said this update is a minor bug fix (point release)

      Canonical said this is actually a major feature update, and doesn’t want to backport it into its LTS repositories

        • bjorney@lemmy.ca
          5·
          1 year ago

          The feature is explicit sync, which is a brand new graphics stack API that would fix some issues with nvidia rendering under Wayland.

          It’s not a big deal, canonical basically said ‘this isn’t a bug fix or security patch, it’s not getting backported into our LTS release’ - so if you want it you have to install GNOME/mutter from source, switch operating systems, or just wait a few months for the next Ubuntu release

  • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    1 year ago

    I’m with the Gnome team here.

    Sure, “point” releases with Gnome are generally only bug fixes, and Canonical likes that because they just merge those changes without doing much, if any, testing.

    But it’s also worth mentioning that:

    • Gnome is extremely pro-wayland. They’ve suggested it as default for non-nvidia hardware since 2016. Of course they’re going to rush explicit sync support out, and they’ve done a good job getting it ready in a short space of time. What, are they just supposed to wait until September/October, just for the benefit of Canonical? Fuck no.

    • This was literally never an agreement in the first place.

    • This is a bugfix, in that it fixes the flickering issues with Nvidia hardware. So even if there was an agreement, I wouldn’t consider it broken, really.

    • There are distros other than Ubuntu, and I imagine they want this fix ASAP.

    • Gnome is run by Gnome devs. Not by Canonical. If they don’t like it, fork it or go back to Unity or something. It’s not like Canonical doesn’t have the money.

    I fear people will interpret this story as “ugh gnome devs being gnome devs!”, like they always do. But as usual, there’s a reason for Gnome making this choice, and in this case they’re unquestionably correct, IMO.

    • woelkchen@lemmy.world
      1·
      1 year ago

      What, are they just supposed to wait until September/October, just for the benefit of Canonical? Fuck no.

      Or Nvidia could just release non-broken drivers. The fault is buggy/incomplete Wayland support in the NVidia driver.