From “Don’t be evil” to now, “Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb”.
Last time I heard a line like that is by Dark Helmet in Space Balls.
Good luck with that sentiment. People tried to boycott products made or designed in Israel and then realized it’s near impossible. Edit: Found a list
It’s impossible to target all of them, yes. But that’s why BDS creates a targeted list of the worst offenders to concentrate consumer boycott pressure.
Currently the BDS list includes 8 targets, including HP, Sabra, Siemens, Puma, and Soda stream. https://bdsmovement.net/get-involved/what-to-boycott
That list is not “products made or designed in Israel”. That list is just companies that support Israel.
I just don’t want anyone to have the false impression that a relationship with Israel is necessary. It definitely is not.
It worked for McDonald’s and Starbucks though. If you boycott the major ones it should have some impact.
Seems misleading, as I highly doubt they were charged with “protesting contract with Israel”. Is that a misdemeanor?
Also love that Google workers suddenly grew a conscience
It’s a trespassing charge from what I could find. Although there are laws against boycotting Israel
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2023/feb/21/us-supreme-court-arkansas-anti-boycott-israel-law
The anti BDS laws are relevant to companies, not workers. Though it is still hilarious to me that we can’t have religious freedom because companies have a first amendment right however they can’t exercise that right in regards to Israel.
The GOP is just so transparently making shit up as they go along for their own convenience.
Thats so wild
Yes. All 28 of them. Out of what, 180,000-ish?
I am seeing a lot of comments on here but the context not being mentioned is that they were protesting while clocked in or working on the clock.
Google is technically in authority to do that. The article is worded a bit out of context to make the act of protesting an a big company we all find to be evil more evil for letting employees go that were wasting company time.
I get it before you even type it I understand Google isn’t short on money and the time portion won’t effect them but has the employees protested while clocked out this would have been a less likely outcome and I also get it, “yeah they would have fired them anyway.” Sure believe what you want but it doesn’t take away that Google had the authority to fire while the employees were in their time no matter what they were protesting. If I did this at my job and was getting paid they would fire me as well.
EDIT: Lemmy is Reddit but it’s full of users in denial.
Confidentially incorrect: at Google there is no clock in and no clock out (for employees, contractors is different). At Google you can work 1h per day or 20h per day you earn the same. Performances are assessed on the output not on the hour worked.
So, no, find another reason for which Google is right. Popular topic is “they disrupt other people work by making noise” (of course people can work on a laptop in another place because there is generally no special equipment at the desk but details) or “they destroyed properties… you cannot see in the picture but they destroyed millions of precious bacteria on the floor”
I think that there are two main reasons that caused them to be fired: insubordination since they occupied the CEO’s office and refused to leave when asked (and probably he don’t asked only one time) which led to the second reason, they were arrested for trespassing in the CEO’s office.
As far as I heard (but I am not too familiar) the CEO is essentially never in the office.
Also, according to the video, the office is in California. People were arrested (and fired) in NY as well (where there is no such an office).
Yes, insubordination is the key point. But it’s also the key point of a protest. The take away is that Google doesn’t accept a protest (any more?)
Re trespassing: in the Google offices everyone can pretty much go to any office. They realistically didn’t break into but, sure, they were in an office that wasn’t theirs
As far as I heard (but I am not too familiar) the CEO is essentially never in the office.
Maybe, but that not the point.
Yes, insubordination is the key point. But it’s also the key point of a protest. The take away is that Google doesn’t accept a protest (any more?)
There are limits though. While you are free to protest, I am entitled to not want you to protest in my home.
“Google pays its employees in two ways: monthly or bi-weekly installments, and bonuses. Google’s compensation structure is based on three components: salary, bonus, and equity. Salary is determined by several factors, including: Role, Level, Location, Cost of labor in the region, and Pay targets.” Literally the first Google (unironically).
I am all for pointing bad things out that companies do but contractors can still be fired or let go if those contractors aren’t meeting performance. Tek Systems is a contractor that does just this.
“Performance is assess on the output.” - my dude you literally just said, “Google can fire them” what is it with the Lemmy brain? It’s a circle jerk in here of people talking about how they are better because they are on a defederated platform using open source tools and software but doing the exact same thing other platforms do. Boxing yourselves in justifying your opinions just to be a part of a group then claiming to have the better opinion that the “shit” you see on Reddit
Lemmy users and the platform are literally no different than others. You aren’t better because you are not a “normie” and don’t have to deal with the consequences of Windows or other OS’s. That doesn’t go without saying there isn’t knowledge and information to share learn from others and Lemmy has knowledge worth listening to but God damn if some people on here aren’t just as likely to just justify their own opinions the same as another platform and for God’s sake I get that it’s the Internet but if you can say that then you are self aware that your opinion is not completely reasonable without discussing it.
I don’t need to find another reason Google isn’t the problem because their are many reasons Google is a problem but this case is being taken out of context. If they were employees disrupting the work place and protesting on company time then Google was within their rights to fire them. If the are contractors then from a quick assessment they clearly were not performing as paid and hired to do so. Google had a right to fire these people no matter what side of the fence you stand on. Does it suck? Sure. I don’t care if you are a down with Google person if you can’t understand this then you are just flat out unreasonable and the same as any other user on any other platform.
That’s the point of protest. The rules are made to keep the status quo, not be good. And some rules suck balls.
This is sort of a shit opinion, IMO. Why should a company have to change the rules to pay me when I am not working on their time?
Keeping people productive on companies time is not a “status quo” it’s working on working time. If these employees had just protested after their shifts Google could have probably still and would have more than likely fired them either way but the point is that it wouldn’t have been on their time giving them less grounds to do so.
Am I being an idiot for thinking that protesting like this, when the union is relatively small is counterproductive? I’d think I’d want to represent the majority of the workers, then protest or outright strike which will halt the cloud operations they want to halt, if that’s what the majority of union members vote to do.
Well, it made the national news, so seems like it was somewhat effective.
So You think they shouldn’t have done anything, because the union is not big enough? Moral is not an option with a small union? Am I getting this right?
I think it depends on the goal. If I’m trying to stop a corporation from doing something profitable a large union, one that contains most corpo workers, including the ones producing this profit, can strike, halting the production that generates this profit. The union could do this for a moral reason. If the union however contains for the sake of argument 1% of the workers and none of the ones doing the work in question, then staging a protest can’t force a stop to the morally reprehensible production. It also makes this 1% an easy target to get rid of thus making it harder to organize more workers needed to stop production. So if I wanted to gain this power over the corpo, I would probably protest outside of union capacity.
E: They’re already gone…
Yeah, american employee protection sucks … Where I live you could easily fight being fired for this. So maybe thats where our different stances come from.
If there is a criminal charge or conviction I think you would be fired in most countries.
This is probably why they called the cops, so they can fire them for an obvious cause and not have to deal with any questions.
What would be the crime here? Am I missing something? Protesting is not (or shouldn’t be) against the law, as long as you don’t behave illegally)
Reports seems to indicate that they were arrested for trespassing.
Ah that, yeah they were in the CEOs office. That might be misdemeanor, but is it a felony? Pretty sure you couldn’t be fired for this here.
