But of course we all know that the big manufacturers don’t do this not because they can’t but because they don’t want to. Planned obsolescence is still very much the name of the game, despite all the bullshit they spout about sustainability.
This article seems to omit the most important fact about headphones - how do they sound?
I love repairability and all, but it hardly matters if I don’t want to use them in the first place because they traded off too much quality for repairability.
I don’t think the writer has them on hand - this is a news article not a review.
Lol sound is not the selling point for any of those pods. Portability is the name of the game
They’re almost all small. You’re a bit off center too.
They’re headphones. They sound ok at best.
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but I really don’t understand the hate for devices that don’t have one.
I like to have the choice. And I choose not having to buy another device.
in a world where Bluetooth reigns supreme.
We must think of different aspects then.
- Reliability - battery charge, potential signal loss (note that I have no experience with wireless headphones, so the second point could be wrong.)
- Longevity - batteries that degrade vs a cable that’s fine if you don’t abuse it
- Ease of use - Plug it into what I want vs pairing process, possible problems with switching, devices sometimes malfunction (meaning software-wise)
- (Audio quality - I can plug them into any DAC I want vs being limited to the built in one - I will not pretend to be able to hear the difference between 16bit/48kHz and something higher. But I still could use an audio interface that can do it.)
I’m with you. The hate has always seemed a bit like a first world problem.
I used up all my hate when Apple did it. I still think Apple lied about their reasoning (waterproofing and space), which pisses me off more than the other complaints, many of which I also agree with. (some of those reasons were even more valid when considering the overall state of the tech at the time)
However, at this point a big portion of the market has adjusted and accepted (to varying degrees), and that first change is so far in the past that I don’t know that I can muster up a lot of hate for mfrs who are taking away headphone jacks today when instead of upending the market they are following market trends.
Having said that, I’d be willing to bet that a larger than typical percentage of Fairphone purchasers would really like to have a headphone jack.
edit - purchasers not purchases
Mostly just because it’s kind of seen as a higher profile example of mobile phone manufacturers colluding and creating totally unnecessary changes in the market because they’re incapable of actual innovation. The reason people are mad, basically, is because there was no reason to remove the headphone jack. I haven’t seen a reasonable argument for it’s removal, really, or the removal of most of the other used-to-be-standard features on smartphones.
Does that include fairphone’s explanation for the removal of the headphone jack? Cause to me it sounds reasonable. It could be bs, sure, but I don’t think it is.
it’s partially because we are running out of options that have the headphone jack, and the only reason to remove them is to boost sales of more expensive bluetooth sets. Bluetooth really doesn’t reign supreme yet because wired headphones are still more convenient, cheaper to produce, and last longer than their bluetooth counterparts. the only reason it’s so common is because it keeps getting removed from phones so people don’t have a choice in the matter.
I think they mean “reign supreme” in the sense that, given the choice, most people these days would choose the bluetooth anyways.
Its just so nice to not have a cord…
The fairphone 4 doesn’t have a jack and its from 2021.
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So? Their over ear Bluetooth headphones came out on Q1 2023. Two years developing a new category for your company sounds about right.
So they first removed the headphone jack but intentionally didn’t launch a companion device because the customers would just wait for them “to sell you their expensive solution”?
the fact they screwed customers over in 2021
Wait, 2021 customers were not informed about that and got their headphone jacks taken away after already paying? They could not make an informed decision and were screwed over?
They explain very thoroughly on their website why they did it:
https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/9836188988049-Audio-Jack-3-5mm
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It might be false, but I think the real reason is that very few people care about a jackstick… I care, but I’m the only one I know, and I only ever hear a small group of people online talk about it being a big deal. In the end I don’t think too badly about that specific decision from any phone manufacturer.
Heck, I don’t even care about having an audio jack as long as there are two USB-C ports. I’m a down for a unified connector. There just needs to be enough ports for it.
I might be on board with this, especially how simple and reliable the USB-C analog audio system is supposed to be. And my ongoing problem with Bluetooth is just how amazed I am at how slow/unreliable it is to both pair and to reconnect on a slew of different (modern!) hardware.
But it’s funny. I have a tablet with 2 USB-C ports. I have USB-C to audio adapters that I’ve used with it for a while.
Recent trip, I forgot the adapters. So I picked up a pack of adapters at the local Best Buy. Didn’t work! Tablet behaved as if they simply weren’t plugged in. Rebooted, tried stuff, then bought a different brand of them. Same problem! Got home, original ones I had worked fine.
I don’t care if it’s the tablet’s fault, or the adapters, or what. I’ve never, ever, ever had to worry about stuff like this with 3.5mm jack on any device. Ever. That’s the reason it’s worth it to me (plus not having to worry about charging, or various other complications with wireless. Like when enabling Bluetooth headphones on my last laptop crushed wifi performance. Or makes my good ol’ Steam Link start to freak out with my 8bitdo, or…)
I’d prefer that to the jack tbh. I’ve been converted to prefer digital wired audio
I’d be more okay with it if that weren’t for the fact that there can still be compatibility issues when before there weren’t.
In my case, lots of people I know care about it. And I definitely do.
But these are just anecdotes, and I haven’t seen real data.
I’m guessing the majority of people would prefer to have it, but don’t care enough that it’s a major factor for their phone. And the number that care at all continues to shrink. But we’re both just guessing.
This is just one search result but it’s showing 326 million phones shipped in just Q4 of last year. How many of those new phones do you think shipped with headphone jacks?
https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS51776424
There’s plenty of industry analysis out there that, while not perfect, is data showing that new phone sales have not been hampered by the removal of the headphone jack.
I’m rocking a Pixel 5a which does still have it and I do get a warm and fuzzy in my nerd brain by having it there. If I’m honest though, I used it maybe twice in the last year.
Yeah, same here. It’s a pretty specific demand when bluetooth headphones have become really good and actually have a lot of advantages compared to wired ones. Also there is always the option to use a USB C dongle so it’s really not that big of a deal.
I don’t need another hole in my phone that does nothing but collect debris.
So - takes up too much space, is the main reason :)
I don’t care, still worth it to me. As long as I have the option, any phone I buy (including the one I bought last year) will have a 3.5mm jack.
Okay, but my phone has a jack and absolutely dog water sound quality. Because it has a jack it does not support the USB DAC which I use on my desktop.
Worst part is, the whole USB DAC is $12 including shipping and it has USB connector and 3.5mm, and an amp. They cheaped out on this part not only on the phone, but also on the motherboard. On my computer the amp is way too weak to drive my around ear headphones.
So if it’s a crap one maybe they shouldn’t even include it, since I’ll have to use a USB DAC to get perfectly transparent sound. The only good one I own is on my budget Acer Aspire laptop.
LG phones used to come with a DAC. I still use mine as an MP3 player even though it’s not my main phone.
All phones with a 3.5mm audio jack have a DAC. You can’t play digital audio without one somewhere along the chain and all audio going through a phone or PC is digital unless you’re picking up a radio signal or some other analog signal that’s being fed directly to the audio jack.
You probably mean it comes with a good DAC, since they aren’t all created equal.
A bit of a tangent, but I believe that’s why people considered Macs better for audio stuff, they probably used a better DAC than most motherboards come with or might have just added that pathway in general back when it wasn’t standard on most PC motherboards and your had to use a sound card if you wanted better audio than the PC speaker which was more of a synthesizer. They’d take a pitch and generate an analog wave at that frequency while a DAC uses a sample rate and series of amplitudes at that frequency to generate rich sound.
I’d rather they just give me a headphone jack tbh
I’m right there with ya. I know many people prefer wireless earbuds, but I like ripping cables out of my ears at random. Makes me feel alive.
I have come to love my bluetooth earbuds… but darn when im in the car i just wanna plug my phone in some times.
Mine just auto connects and I’m playing with Bluetooth
Yea, a portion of my problem is the bad implementation of Bluetooth in my 2013 Subaru Impreza.
It just wouldn’t support Bluetooth reconnects.
But in the end, if a friend is in the car nothing is quicker and easier than just plugging them in.
My vehicle is from 2000 and I installed an after market Sony in it in 2010. Been using it ever since. But this was back when the system wasn’t so uniquely integrated into vehicles. It’s not really even an option in many these days.
Yea, mine has a swappable front end, but just downs seem worth it.
Ended up getting a Bluetooth adapter from Ali which works well.
fuck wireless headphones! I don’t want to remember charging another god damn thing to start with.
I wish all their stuff wasn’t EU only.
It’s hard for a small manufacturer to start selling in overseas markets. It would take a certain volume for them to have the capital to set up shop in the US.
Search for KZ IEM it’s a chifi has this kind of feature also probably cheaper than fairphone version.
I think you can get them imported but the costs go up significantly. Also they wouldnt be certified by your electronic bodies
I’m doing just fine with my bio body…
You can, I had an English vendor ship me my FP4 and it works just fine stateside. It does have its quirks being locked to GSM networks and the 5G bands not being universally aligned between the continents.
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