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Shouldn’t be a big deal: Why would anyone still buy a Tesla at this point? If someone is going to buy a car they probably don’t want something with garbage build quality and shitty support.
Those Volvos are looking kinda good though…
Sorry, I know this is controversial and I’ll probably get down voted to hell, but I love my model Y Tesla and I think the full self driving is amazing (I didn’t pay for it, there’s a free trial this month). Musk is an idiot and an asshole but there’s a lot more people working at Tesla that made some amazing vehicles.
Just to be clear, “Full Self Driving” is the marketing name for the product. You are instructed to keep your hands on the wheel at all times and Tesla accepts no responsibility at all if it screws up (unlike Mercedes, who takes responsibility for their level 3 autonomous driving service).
And for other people who happen to read this, the only reason Tesla may seem ahead with their technology is that they just don’t care about safety. Tesla won’t have a safe product until they actually accept responsibility for their product’s failings.
Their infotainment system and app are pretty great compared to some other brands.
I’m currently driving a VW id5 and it’s like they’ve never designed any kind of software interfaces at all. Example:
- the VW app can tell me the car is unlocked, but can’t lock it for me.
- it can’t show me the VIN number, even though I had to use it to register it ( it was hidden in my user profile on the site somewhere )
- I can let it pre-heat and such, but only on two schedules .
- can’t schedule appointments through the app
- that weird sliding thingy for switching between speed limiter and cruise control is unintuitive AF
- every other time I’m driving it’s giving me a pop up saying “there are new updated user settings for your account”. With only an ok and a cancel button. Where are they? What are they? Where can I find them? Did clicking"ok" accept them? Not a clue. When does it show this message that blocks the rest of the UI? After 1 minute of driving.
Not to hate on VW engineers but goddamnit guys. Get your shit together and hire a UX expert. Shortly drove a BMW 1 series before the VW and the infotainment was a lot more practical to use.
That thing you have a free trial for just comes as standard in other cars at that price…
Sorry, I’m not aware, what car comes standard with that?
BMW
Lexus
Toyota
Cadillac
Genesis
Land Rover
Some of them are options, but none of them are subscription.
Those are brands, not specific cars, and to my knowledge BMW is the only car that offers a level 3 option. Tesla has level 2 as standard (known as autopilot).
I’m not going to spend hours researching a Lemmy post. These are the brands that offer level 2 driving features that Tesla offers.
Sooo I don’t get your point. They do the same thing as Tesla does standard too?
They can’t make a good car at triple the price. Why would anyone buy this one?
I don’t think that’s how Tesla owners feel. 🤔 I think most are pretty happy. (Me included)
Hopefully yours doesn’t have body panel gaps you can see from part way across the parking lot. A couple doctors at the surgery center I was at had Teslas, and one of them was pretty unhappy with the build quality on the one he got.
What are your feelings on the racist lunatic running the company?
Personally I was shopping Tesla Model Y vs Chevy Blazer. At a glance, this seems to fall right in with what you’re saying but the reality was very different.
- Tesla started off with an advantage by actually being available
- even when Blazer was released, as a new model, it had much worse quality issues, very little availability, and huge markups
- Tesla was a mature model, with no quality issues
- Tesla was much less expensive
- Tesla was rated 100 miles more range
- Tesla is much more efficient
- Tesla has an outstanding charging network
- Tesla has a much easier purchasing process, with fewer middlemen to scam profits
- Tesla software and automation is on a whole different level
The decision really wasn’t close
Hey, I’m happy you’re happy. But Tesla absolutely still has quality control issues.
Regarding the sales process: in Tesla’s early days, they received an exception to the requirement for needing to use dealerships. Generally this is very shady and is outright unfair towards other car manufacturers—even Rivian didn’t get this same special treatment because lawmakers saw how Tesla abused it.
Tesla’s growing monopoly on charging networks isn’t something to be proud of, in my opinion, and neither is their proprietary charging cable. We need open standards.
Also, Tesla’s mileage estimates are notoriously exaggerated. Perhaps technically you can get the claimed range if the entire trip is downhill…
We are getting the standard in the form of NACS, but Tesla still owns the chargers. They could always abandon NACS and switch it up/require a costly adapter.
We are a long way from hitting any limits in the number of deployed chargers. It’s a wide open market and there’s government money to make it easier. Any company could have as many chargers now, if they chose to spend the money. Any company could have chosen to do the maintenance to keep their chargers in working order.
While Tesla’s lead in chargers is one of the reasons I chose them, I’m not sure it’s reasonable to call it a monopoly. We’re still at the beginning of the market, with huge untapped potential and room for all to grow
Also, Tesla’s mileage estimates are notoriously exaggerated.
To be honest, this is like the ones from every other car, both EV and ICE.
That hasn’t been my experience, but perhaps regulations are stricter in the EU.
EU uses the WLTP method of testing range and its way more optimistic that the process we use in the USA.
- why is wanting to sell direct shady? You may have reasons to think this particular situation is, but the model is not inherently shady. Meanwhile car sales from dealerships have a long standing and well deserved reputation for shadiness. Surely not all are, but the sales model encourages it. Many of us dread dealing with a dealer after experiencing shady sales practices, so are happy to try a different model and see if it will be different. Certainly this was one of the only car purchases I’ve had where I didn’t feel dirty and abused.
- Tesla’s chargers are standard. Sure, they had to create their own since there was no standard at the time, but last year their cable and connector was accepted as a standard in the US and adopted by the majority of manufacturers
- There is no monopoly on chargers, there is only Tesla installing more than everyone else, and making sure they work. Now that most manufacturers are adopting that standard, their vehicles are becoming welcome on Tesla’s network
- while you’re right that I don’t get the range that was on the sticker for my Tesla, this is “normal”: my old Civic got 12mpg, my old Subaru got 21mpg, yet both were rated over 30. How you use it makes a huge difference
It would be better if direct sales were allowed, but unfortunately dealerships are required by law in almost all US states. The shady bit is how Tesla got one of the few exceptions and continues to be exempt despite being among the leading car manufacturers in the USA. All other leading manufacturers are required by state laws to sell their vehicles through dealerships.
Tesla’s NCAS chargers only began to allow non-Teslas to use it from 2019, so this is kind of recent history in terms of car ownership and network coverage.
I’ve driven 120k miles on my Tesla, and have a different observation on range and efficiency. Even with sub-optimal winter tires and roof rack rails, I can still attain rated efficiency. It does require appropriate temperatures and speeds though, more sensitive to that than ICE cars in my experience. 80k miles in a Chevy Bolt demonstrated about the same tendencies.
This is an easy test. If Reuters is lying, that means the Model 2 is still in development. Prove that Reuters is lying, Elon. you are uniquely positioned to be able to do that.
Best he can do is be an insufferable jackass.
Scrapped my plans to buy a Tesla a while ago!
Tesla has no press office and has not rebutted the news, but Musk took to his social network to declare that “Reuters is dying,” then in another post claimed that “Reuters is lying (again).”
Fucking embarrassing.
What is up with all these haters. My friend has a model Y for 3yrs now and never had any issues. It is a great car. Panels gaps are fine, no ratlling dash. I drove it and I loved it! If I could afford it, I would buy the new model 3.
Maybe Europe has different standards but they’re great cars!
If you completely take Musk out of the equation, my issues with Tesla are:
- The whole carbon credits thing
- The price point is premium, but the build quality often isn’t
- Other companies have largely eaten their lunch, launching solid EV’s that rival or better Tesla
- Their reputation was built off of the end-goal of mass-producing affordable EV’s, something they will now not do.
Not that I want to defend Musk, but
The whole carbon credits thing
I suppose here he just used something that was present, like many other entities
Other companies have largely eaten their lunch, launching solid EV’s that rival or better Tesla
Yes, only after Tesla show that it is possible to make a nice EV car. Do you remember all the EV cars before Tesla.
Their reputation was built off of the end-goal of mass-producing affordable EV’s, something they will now not do.
Given they started from scratch, I’d say the are not that bad
Survivor bias is a thing. One car not having issues doesn’t mean all or majority of them don’t. Besides I think people have their expectations messed up. For a 60k$ car it has to be perfect, not just “not having issues” because in ICE world that amount of money buys you some seriously good car.
Survivor bias is a thing.
Yes, but normally also the fact that only who has problems is vocal about them.
One car not having issues doesn’t mean all or majority of them don’t.
True, but also does not means that the majority of them had problems.
For a 60k$ car it has to be perfect, not just “not having issues” because in ICE world that amount of money buys you some seriously good car.
Good luck with this.
No luck needed. You literally get far better car in same price range.
My ICE car (same price range of the Tesla 3 and Y) had so many issues that make me consider to change it more than a couple of times, so maybe you at least need to not be unlucky.
What I agree with you is that, normally, a 60k $ car from an well-established brand is way less prone to have quality issues than a car in the same prince range from a brand that 20 years ago did not even exist but I am sure enough that if we look at the same number of 60k $ cars from other brand with the same thoroughness we use to find defects in a Tesla, we probably will end up with roughly the same number of defects.
And I wouldn’t have forgiven those cars either. 60k$ is a lot of money and you need to get a lot of car for it. Just getting a vehicle that’s reliable and will serve you well for years requires no more than 15k$ maybe 20k$. So everything above that is luxury, be it in number of seating or quality or something else.
For 60k$, you can get:
- Mercedes-Benz E-Class 2024;
- Jaguar XF 2024;
- BMW 5 Series 2024;
- Audi A6 2024.
You know when I’d go for Tesla over any of these? Never. More to the point you can get EVs from most of these manufacturers at about same price range. And rest assured panels are not misaligned there or car scrapes tires off after 6 months or that steering wheel falls apart after three months of use. But if nothing else matters, distribution network and service centers these manufacturers have is huge so servicing your car and finding parts is easy, or at least significantly easier. With Tesla you can only go to Tesla. There’s no authorized dealers or service centers.
Plus what’s up with hating a company just because it’s CEO is an outspoken dickhead? He doesn’t even seem to be paying attention to Tesla anymore, so can’t we decide on a company’s products, by what the company actually does?
And I’ll agree, maybe the rest of the world has other choices, but in the US, there are good reasons Tesla dominates the EV market. You don’t have to agree, but should be able to see the reality
Tesla’s image and public perception was built mostly on the salesmanship of Elon Musk the man (mainly through self-agrandising promises, like the Cyber Truck and just straightforward deceit like calling their driving assist “full self driving”), on the consumer side more so early on and on the investor side still very much so even today (hence Tesla’s “Tech startup” kind of market valuation rather than an “auto maker” kind, though that seems to have started correcting).
So it absolutelly makes sense that as trust in Elon Musk the man goes down, so goes trust in his promises and favorable portrayal of his companies’ and their products, and hence the massive PR around Tesla built by him is collapsing along with the public perception of him (it makes no logical sense to expect that a company controled by somebody one sees as a scam artist would impeccably honest and ethical and their products trully delivered on what’s promised in their glitzy marketing materials).
Had Tesla’s image not been build up almost entirelly on “Trust Elon Musk he’s a visionary” you would’ve been right, but as it it is your “argument” comes out as one side “cake and eat it” fanboyism.
Or, the real reason.
As the manbaby he is, and given the reason it would be named ‘2’ (so that the lineup would be 2S3XY), someone informed him of that shirtless picture on the yacht and the incomming endless memes about him being 2S3XY for his shirt.
For all the infallible saints and self-righteous pontificators in the comment section, it’s okay to want Tesla to be successful and and make better cars, and also not want Elon Musk in charge of it.
