The belief that the country is on a downward slope fuels the appeal of radicalism.

  • rumschlumpel@feddit.org
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    2 days ago

    That’s like complaining that putting murderers in prison doesn’t stop people’s murderous thoughts.

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      2 days ago

      I get what you are saying but to me this seems an oversimplification simply because voting is something act on, not only thoughts to do.
      A more correct analogy would be “it is the same thing tha not putting murderes in jail and to pretend murderes do not exist and then complaining because the problem do not solve itself”.

      The fact is that Le Pen says something a certain quote of voters consider true (for whatever reasons and I am not judging it) and the only way to “remove” Le Pen is solve the problems she points out, it is the only real solution.

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        1 day ago

        The issue is that far right propaganda is self-sustaining, as long as people are in that swamp they’re not getting out of that. Banning far right parties is not enough by itself to drain that particular swamp, but it cannot be drained as long as these parties are legal.

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          21 hours ago

          I disagree with your “The issue is that far right propaganda is self-sustaining” It is not. Or better, it is not at this scale.
          Extreme parties always existed, now they are simply on the rise because the other parties simply stopped to care.
          If these parties were illegal, they would already have been disbanded.
          So the mere fact that they are still there means that they are not illegal, or at least it is not that easy to demonstrate that they are illegal. You cannot disband a party just because you think it is illegal or you don’t agree with it.

          We want to send back the extremist parties ? Good, what about fighting the cause instead of curing the effects ? Instead of continually draining the swamp, what about to avoid it fills up ?
          The assumption is always that this parties exist because people are extremist but nobody explain how can be possible that an extremist population never voted (or never built) an extremist party up until now.

          Cannot be that these extremist parties are an answer to the fact that the traditional (Left) parties decide to not care anymore about people ?
          I mean, if the first thing Merz said after the AfD won the local elections was “we will continue this way”, it means that he don’t even try to understand why they had lost.
          To remain in your swamp analogy, they don’t even try to understand why the swamp if filling up, they are just trying to drain it using the wrong tools.

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              16 hours ago

              True, but it better to start avoiding the swamp to fill up and then starting to drain it then draining it when it is still filling up.