So, few days ago I asked the thread which distro they’d recommend and one of the most recommended was debian and debian based. But I for myself(Even though the post says otherwise) now chose to use an arch based distro, because of the better supported and newer nvidia drivers as well as automatic hardware detection. So I wanted to hear some experiences of you, that you may have had in the past considering EndeavourOS, CachyOS, Manjaro and Arch itself. I personally have gone for Manjaro now, kind of hoping that it won’t break on the attempt to cut themselves of the company side of Manjaro and becomming they’re own non-profit.

Greetings, Konke

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    I personally have gone for Manjaro

    Why would anyone intentionally do that?

    The whole Manjaro concept of delaying Arch updates by two weeks is bullshit, because they don’t actually use that time for additional tests or include fixes. They just ship exactly the same bugs 2 weeks later.

    On top of this where Arch explicitly warns users about the AUR as unvetted community content and only lets you install AUR helpers manually (increasing the chance that people see the warning and think twice) Manjaro comes with their own AUR helper pre-installed. No warning, no nothing. Oh, and they use the unmodified AUR which is running under the assumption that you have an updated Arch system, not one weeks out-of-date. So welcome to breakages and dependency hell.

    Said Manjaro-specific AUR helper also has ddos’ed the AUR on multiple occasions because they don’t seem to believe in testing.

    Have I mentioned the –by now meme-worthy– fact that they are too stupid to not let their SSL certificates expire and unironically proposed setting your PC’s clock/date back as a solution?

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    With the advent of endeavor and cachy, I would argue there’s zero point to using Manjaro. If you like the arch style and figure on reading updates to ensure things don’t break, might as well be on a distro that’s just arch nicely preconfigured with a nice installer.

    Manjaro adds another later of complexity to that by holding some updates back for reasons, that as far as I’ve seen doesn’t really do much in the way of helping stability.

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    because of the better supported and newer nvidia drivers as well as automatic hardware detection

    What?

    I don’t understand why arch users always say this… It’s still Linux? You can install nvidia drivers on debian or fedora, and most of the rest are baked into the kernel (most of the time), so I don’t get this.

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      Arch is the distro for people who don’t know enough to realize all distros are basically the same but want to feel like they “know Linux” because they have to fix a bunch of stuff (spoiler: you can just read manuals of things without having your OS randomly break them)

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      Of course you can install them, but you need to do it. I didn’t say that it would be complicated or not possible, I just said that I really appreciated Manjaro for shipping the nvidia proprietary driver directly at the start without any trouble. And I did not say that I chose Arch-based for the nvidia driver, but for the more up-to-date drivers.

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        And I did not say that I chose Arch-based for the nvidia driver, but for the more up-to-date drivers.

        But that’s what I mean… It’s not to do with being arch-based, but what the distribution chooses to ship. Bazzite is Fedora based and also ships with the almost-newest proprietary nvidia drivers.

        For the record, I don’t have an opinion on your choice of distro, use what works for you. I just see so commonly from arch users that they have access to the latest drivers, but that is true of anything running a recent Linux kernel. I was just wondering what about arch makes this belief so strong.

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    manjaro had a lot of issues with stuff as basic as their certificate.

    i wouldn’t trust them over endeavour or cachy and i’ve personally had a good experience on both of these.

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    most recommended was debian and debian based. But I for myself(Even though the post says otherwise) now chose to use an arch based distro

    Why are you asking our opinion on the matter since you clearly have made up your mind already?

    because of the better supported and newer nvidia drivers

    Newer doesn’t necessarily mean better, there’s a reason other d’Ístria delay packages and it has to do with compatibility and finding early bugs.

    as well as automatic hardware detection.

    What? Debian based distros have automatic hardware detection, Arch expects you to know your hardware and install things accordingly. Hell, almost nothing in Arch is automatic.

    So I wanted to hear some experiences of you, that you may have had in the past considering EndeavourOS, CachyOS, Manjaro and Arch itself.

    I used Arch as my main distro for over 15 years, it’s a great distro it has a lot of advantages in my book and it’s still the distro I feel most at home with. But it’s definitely NOT beginner friendly, you’ll get the latest packages with the latest bugs and incompatibilities, sure you might get the latest performance gains, but that’s when you’re not facing the latest regressions in performance or in compatibility.

    Don’t get me wrong, I still love Arch and have it on some of my systems, but it’s something that you have to know how to deal with.

    I personally have gone for Manjaro now

    If you must use Arch go with plain Arch. Manjaro and others essentially give you a pretty GUI installer, nothing more, and they cost you the customization of building your system from the ground up and knowing how to rebuild and fix if things go wrong for whatever reason (plus every Arch community will first ask what distro you’re running, and if it’s not pure Arch they won’t even look at your post). Also worth mentioning, AUR packages are built for Arch, they might work on Manjaro or Cachy, but they might also not due to the slight version variations.

    In short, I think Arch is a great system, but it has some difficulties attached to it that could potentially make it a problem for someone that wants something that “just works”, which is what most new users want, whether they admit it or not.

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        You know the weirdest part? Arch used to have a TUI installer when I first migrated to it, it lost it at some point between 2009 and 2012 (since I discovered it didn’t existed anymore on a laptop I bought in 2012. Weird that they redid an installer after all these years (and yeah, I know that technically pacstrap is an installer, but it doesn’t do much)

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    I’ll advice you to go with Fedora, because rolling release distro often cause issues, but Fedora has not too old packages like Debian and gets major updates 2x a year, don’t worry about driver and app updates you’ll get them as you would on amy distro.

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    I tried CachyOS as my intro to Arch based distros (excluding Steamdeck’s Steam OS) and it kept crashing on start up a day after installation. I switched back to Nobara at the time and everything important worked again.

    The lesson: don’t blindly trust the hype because people are full of shit and omit a lot of issues they experience.

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    I ran Manjaro for a few years. It worked mostly but I ran into issues sometimes on updates. Got tired of that so I moved to Fedoraworkstation and it’s been rock solid.

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    You can also set up debian to be a rolling release-based distro as well – which is comically easy to do. (All you have is to edit a text file and swap a word for “sid”.). And it’s as stable as you’d think.

    t. Running Armbian (which is “debian for arm pc’s”), rolling release. Been running (and updating) it since a while and not a single weird oddities happened (like crashes, instability, etc).

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    I switched from EndeavourOS to OpenSUSE tumbleweed.

    Not because EOS is bad, the contrary, i had a really good and smooth experience and probably only had one big issue, but my fault for not searching through EOS’ forum xD, that caused a total wipe and fresh install.

    EOS beeing arch based, you need to keep regularly your system up to date and keep your system clean ! Beeing bleeding edge is a double sword… That’s why I switched to openSUSE TW, cause I needed something close to bleeding endge but also very stable for a hybrid server-gaming system.

    This is also doable with EOS, but there’s way more personal investement to keep it stable.

    Would totally recommend EOS to someone who want to tinker and customize his/her system and learning a bit more about how UNIX system works on a deeper level.

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    I’m very sorry to inform you that arch manjaro is the worst of the three you mentioned. The distro is known to have stability issues on a regular basis so additional tinkering and fixing is required. Endeavour and Cachy are both excellent choices though, people here have reported that they’re super stable.

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    Used Manjaro, Endeavour and now on cachy. Manjaro delayed their updates for too long for me to the point that it didn’t even feel like it was based on Arch.

    Endeavour broke to no return out of nowhere every 6 months or so. Have been running cachy closing on 3 years now and I won’t go anywhere. One SSD, one install that went through 3 computers.

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    After leaving Bazzite I jumped to Garuda. It was easy and I haven’t had any problems. Things run good. Gaming runs good. Pamac runs updates when I shut down. Is good.

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        Oddly enough, it wasn’t that it felt weird to me (it did but I figured that was just the switch to Linux), it was that the immutability wouldn’t let me change the login screen background, lol. After a few days googling and trying to hack it, I gave up and switched to a distro that didn’t have that locked down.

        After I switched I realized that Garuda felt better to me overall too, but the vibe of an OS is a hard thing to measure until you feel the difference.

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          Interesting! I’ve been a longtime Linux user mostly with debian-based systems (Debian, Ubuntu, Pop!) And it’s been interesting to me how one small thing or another will do that.

          For me it is usually Kerberos / domain authentication things that are unnecessarily tough to set up in one distro or another.

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    I first dove into Linux March 2020 with Mint. The next day the pandemic lockdowns started. I hadn’t heard about the pandemic at that point.

    My internet was shut off a couple weeks later which made learning how to use Linux significantly more difficult. I had downloaded a wide variety of distro’s though and had plenty of time to try them out but only had the man pages to learn from, which don’t really make a lot of the connections I needed to get things working right on my computer, a Frankenstein’s monster which had a lot of quirks and was made from parts salvaged from the trash or donated out of pity by friends. Oh and the CPU was partially delidded by a tornado and still works like a champ to this day.

    I went from Mint to various Ubuntu’s, played with a bunch of Puppy’s, didn’t care for Zorin or Fedora for unrelated reasons, almost settled on MX but messed something up, and long story short, I started using Manjaro KDE since September 2021 and have stuck with it. For my use case and equipment at the time, it just worked.

    I’ve tried a few other distros, breifly, mostly in VM’s and almost changed to Open SUSE Tumbleweed but ultimately stuck with the Manjaro. There have been a few frustrations along the way but the issues stemmed more from my low-budget equipment, corrupt and incompetant internet service providers and incompetant and corrupt monitor and cable manufacturers, than anything Manjaro did and some of those problems were solved by their (mostly) friendly forum people.

    I got lucky and managed to find a way to build a new computer since then, a fairly decent one for a home desktop in my opinion. I don’t foresee myself changing anytime soon. (New PC: AMD 7950XT; ASRock Taichi mobo; ASRock Radeon 6950 GPU; 128GB RAM)