Let’s talk about #Linux on the desktop, #Gnome and the state of #Wayland in 2024.
I’ve just had to switch back to X11 from Wayland on Nobara, because I couldn’t get Sunshine to work no matter what I tried, my windows were occasionally flickering black, and my taskbar kept freezing. So I guess I’ll wait a little bit more.
What hardware do you have? I have all AMD, and it works just fine on Nobara on Wayland.
Unfortunately, NVIDIA. I was buying a new PC half a year ago, and only started even considering to make the switch to Linux few months after that, so I am at a pretty unlucky point where I just had recently spent a lot of money for new-gen PC, but without knowing that I should really go for AMD.
I will make the switch to AMD as soon as it’s justifiable, but I’m too lazy to deal with second-hand resale and it’s hard to justify a new GPU when I still have the current gen, but from wrong manufacturer.
I had numerous problems with Wayland when I had an NVIDIA video card. Since I switched to an AMD video card, it has been a blissful experience. Wayland now works perfectly.
I totally empathize. I did the same thing at the end of 2020 and just switched to an AMD GPU last month.
Did you file a bug report with the Sunshine devs?
Ooh, you are right, I can actually file bug reports or try to fix it myself now that I switched to FOSS from Windows. Tbh that didn’t really occur to me, since I was switching only like a month ago. I’ll look into it, so far I suspect that it’s actually covered by one of those troubleshooting cases mentioned in their FAQ, and I’m not really confident enough to start recompiling libraries with additional flags. Especially since I’m on Nobara and don’t want to break anything, AFAIK that OS is pretty customised from the start and figuring out what I can safely touch isn’t something I have the guts for yet.
Gnome has been pretty great on Wayland for a while.
Personally I’ve been using it since 2017, and besides a stint with a 1080 Ti that was constantly causing issues, it’s been pretty good besides screen sharing in some programs. Speaking of…
I just wish Discord would fix their shitty app or people would abandon that shitty app. Unfortunately neither looks likely.
Right, actually you can use Discord natively on Wayland just passing the flags mentioned in the post. The only issue I have found with the official Discord client is that it doesn’t support streaming audio alongside to streaming your screen, but vesktop does the trick for that.
Hadn’t heard of vesktop. Thank you for the tip.
I think this thread shows it’s very hardware/driver dependent?
I’m posting from Wayland running on Plasma 5, on 100% recent gen intel hardware, and as far as I’ve been able to tell I have zero deficiencies that matter in functionality. (aside from whatever little bugs surely exist that I’m not noticing - and big things no one really has yet like HDR)
I don’t have much sympathy for the haters who think we shouldn’t be moving to Wayland ever, but every recent thread seems to confirm that Nvidia and possibly other HW configs are still likely to be problematic.
A big aspect is fractional scaling needs. I have tried the current kde 5 wayland version everytime a new minor release is done and it’s very bad with inconsistencies in many places and weird font rendering and stuff like that. I’m very eager waiting for kde 6 where many of the bugs are supposedly fixed.
I’ve got a 3.5k 13" display and have only noticed scaling issues with xwayland apps (which Plasma warns you of) - but I’m not disputing your point, there are clearly rough edges some folks see that others don’t.
Plasma may not ever implement window shading for Wayland, but I’m hopeful. That’s probably my last blocker.
This should not be surprising at this point that a lot of users prefer the wayland session, gamingonlinux survey shows that wayland adoption is consistently increasing (while X11 usage declines).
I am on a very strange situation, Wayland for me still quite buggy, but my x11 session only render about half of the red subpixels on my display, so wayland it is
Nobara (wayland/gnome) + NVIDIA 2080ti, screen and projector dual setup = never add any issues. I’m a noob, came to linux 6 months ago. I’m really curious about why so many people are having problems with Wayland and NVIDIA but my system basically worked out of the box. I guess I was lucky?
In my experience, any HDMI’s or Display Ports plugged into my GPU have terrible performance on Wayland while working perfectly on X11, so it seems there are still problems. Though tbf X11 doesn’t work at all with HDMI’s plugged into my motherboard so it could be a hardware issue? I have a 11 year old motherboard so idk.
If you avoid Nvidia, it have been ready for many years. And to be honset, not sure X11 was really stable with Nvidia either. My main issue with Wayland, is that X doesn’t have multi dpi support… and for that I really cannot blame Wayland. Also, Skype doesn’t have screensharing, well, they actually had for a while, but then removed it… still, hard to blame on Wayland.
But as a general rule, if you have Nvidia, then you are not allowed to complain about anything… that was your choice, and with Nvidia under Linux, all bets are off. I thought that was clear a long time a go, especially after Linus not so subtle outburst.
I got my Nvidia GPU before I even considered moving to Linux. I am honestly getting pretty tired of reading these gatekeeping comments telling me “I’m not allowed to complain about anything” or how I’m a trash person for buying an Nvidia card in the first place. Nvidia is the largest GPU manufacter, people are going to own Nvidia cards, you need to live with it. Be constructive and nice to other people.
X11 is rock solid with Nvidia, never had a single problem.
I had a lot of issues with Wayland on KDE, lots of flickering issues all the time. I moved to Hyprland and things are mostly fine. IntelliJ has ocasional problems but they are working on a Wayland version anyways.
My personal experience could never agree with that. I could never use Wayland on KDE on either one of my laptops with Intel graphics due to numerous glitches and incompatibilities, so nvidia is not even the scapegoat I wish it was.
I’m looking forward to plasma 6 next month, but at least on KDE, Wayland has not really been usable so far.
My intel graphics laptop (surface pro) runs perfectly on kde wayland
I’m ignorant to all this, but I found that weirdly my mouse’s gesture features are broken on Wayland. So X11 it is then.
