People at Bonn protesting against Nazi cunts singing Ode to Joy
This is great news. However, I can’t help but fear that people went back to their private lives afterwards thinking “well done, we defended democracy”. Where to go from here? How to keep people engaged in fighting the right? What are realistic next steps for those of us wanting to do more than voting and the occasional demonstration, other than violence? On another note, how might one approach minorities concerned by the indicated policies to join the movement?
Damn. Wish the rest of Europe would do it this big.
In Germany millions are protesting against our fascist party AfD, after they unveiled their mass deportation plans.
Look great.
Now I am expeting the same millions of people protesting the things that let afd to grow.
Remember, afd is a consequence not a cause.
Yeah, but destroying the consequence is sometimes needed to eliminate the cause.
Only if you just want to hide the causes in the short term.
But let’s assume that you destroy afd, do you really think that all the people that vote for them will change their mind while having the same problems ? You basically only said to them to shut up, do you really think it will work well ? Maybe for the next electoral deadline, but then ?
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Whatever are the causes, if you just remove the consequences you don’t solve the problem.
Let’s assume that afd grow only becasue Russian money and disinformation (which I personlly don’t belive like I don’t belive that Fratelli d’Italia won because suddently 30% if the italian population is fascist), do you really think that destroying afd will stop the flow of money and disinformation ? They simply will choose (or build) another group to give the money to making better choices.
And you will end up in a situation where the far right group will be able to paint you as the bad guy because you oppose things that basically will be the same things afd is proposing now but with a much nicer dress so that they look acceptable.
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I would not be that optimist about the “few years”, expecially because I don’t see the will to fix the problems which leaded to the afd (and far right in general) grow.
To me this just seems something like “hide the dirt under the rug and hope that it will go away”. And it is a stupid path to follow
I know. It’s good.
the french are already doing it quite well, wherever you live would definetely benefit from a protest of this scale.
When? Where? Last time I remember this in France was 19 years ago. :-(
I voted afd
Well, you should read the Partys Program, look info what their leaders say and realize it was a mistake. If you think they are right in their views, you may just be an asshole, sry about that.
Well, I did read their 2023 Party Program, and I’m afraid it’s pretty polished to appear mainstream. I was shocked on how many points appealed to me on first glance, like plebiscites, the prohibition for judges to be affiliated with a political party, universal basic income or transparent financing of political parties.
You have to actually study it, interpret it with their mindset in mind and compare it to the populist playbook used in countries like Italy, Hungary or Poland to detect the underlying fascism. It’s a shiny piece of deception.
It might be worth to write a comment on it.
That’s the “neat” thing about the party and their voters: They are used to not base things on facts. So they write one thing into their party program and do the other thing or not, just like they want and they promise a third thing in conflict with the first two. E.g. according to their program oft 2023 the reforms they want would help the rich, but all their voters (which are poor on average) believe that their polices would help them.
Btw some crazy points from their program:
- Abolish any inheritance tax
- Set a total max for the amount of money you have to pay taxes for, so if you are rich earn more and don’t pay a cent!
- They went from “there is no climate change” to “climate change always happened, we have nothing to do with it, CO2 is a essential part of live, we should make more!”
- Stop all wind energy projects
- “Landwirtschaft: Mehr Wettbewerb. Weniger Subventionen” Which translates to “More competition and less subsidies for agriculture” and still they manage to claim the farmer protests for them.
- Kids born in Germany should not have a chance to German citizenship if the parents do not have it. Regardless if they live their whole live here.
- Ignore EU policies when convenient, reimplement border controls (or in other words, leave the EU)
- Strive for assimilation of migrants (Yes the use the word “Assimilation”)
- Only grant asylum to people which can fill job roles where there is a provable gap in demand and local workforce.
- Do not mention homosexuality in school
- Do not grant any abortion rights, force any consultant to persuade a pregnant women to keep the child.
And I could go on. I think its pretty obvious what kind of political party they are, even from their program. Sure they have some good points in there too, but so do other parties which are not far-right and science deniers.
Btw some crazy points from their program:
Abolish any inheritance taxThat not seems that crazy. I mean, someone lost his beloved one and in addition to his grieve he has to pay a tax. Right…
You lost your parents and you pay the state for the privilege to keep their inheritance… Sounds good this way ? (and no, to the rich people it change nothing)
“Landwirtschaft: Mehr Wettbewerb. Weniger Subventionen” Which translates to “More competition and less subsidies for agriculture” and still they manage to claim the farmer protests for them.On this I have a double feeling. On one hand I have seen the disasters of the subsidies to the agricolture like the milk quotas and the farmer paid to not cultivate the field while importing product from outside, on the other hand this make sense only if you eliminate the unfair competition from outside and make everyone play by the same rules.
Kinds born in Germany should not have a chance to German citizenship if the parents do not have it. Regardless if they live their whole live here.Stupid idea, I agree.
Ignore EU policies when convenient, reimplement border controls (or in other words, leave the EU)As long as they are prepared to be ignored by the others… and no, border control does not means to leave the EU. It means check what and who enter in your country, because I don’t see the problem with border controls that keep the illegal people and goods out of my country.
But I see what they mean and I agree with you.
Only grant asylum to people which can fill job roles where there is a provable gap in demand and local workforce.Mmm… asylum should be granted only to people in danger for some serious reason, in other words it should be an exceptional case, not the norm. I agree it is really stupid to tie it to fact that who ask for it should be able can cover for a local workforce gap.
So yes, they have some very stupid ideas, but other does not seems too bad and I am sure that if some other parties would propose them in a better language they would be approved by a large part of the population.
But as long as the people (and who is in charge) don’t understand that afd and all the parties like it are a consequence and not a cause the problem will be never solved.
Just so you know, inheritance tax in Germany inly kicks in, if the inheritance is over 500.000 Euros and then it is 20% I believe. So your argument actually falls a tad short here.
Also the current competition in agriculture only promote the commulation of farms into companies. The farmers who actually need support don’t get it, which further accelerates the industrialisation of farming. Which is what the protest is about, not that many farmers get that they are being exploited by their own lobbyists and the AfD.
Lastly, while the AfD has for some time been saying they want the EU to stay and Germany being part of it, they are now discussing a German Exit. As if that did any good for the UK. It would likely be even worse for Germany. My guess is, that they felt offended by Meloni for saying that they would not work with the AfD on anything.
Just so you know, inheritance tax in Germany inly kicks in, if the inheritance is over 500.000 Euros and then it is 20% I believe. So your argument actually falls a tad short here.
I don’t understand your point. I get that the limit is high but it does not make any difference: you lost your parent and you need to pay for the privilege to keep their inheritance. How many money you could or want to tax is irrelevant in my opinion. It is a tax that should be deleted for everyone.
Also the current competition in agriculture only promote the commulation of farms into companies.
Which can be not that bad to me
The farmers who actually need support don’t get it, which further accelerates the industrialisation of farming.
Maybe. But what the subsidies have done until now are only damages: they have not helped the farmers and have not stopped the industrialisation.
I don’t really know what the solution could be but to me the subsidies are not the solution.Lastly, while the AfD has for some time been saying they want the EU to stay and Germany being part of it, they are now discussing a German Exit. As if that did any good for the UK. It would likely be even worse for Germany
True, but this is a consequence, not the cause.
For example, why do you think that Meloni won last time ? Not because suddently 30% of the Italian population became fascist but because she aknowledged the problems people have and that the left (and the EU) choose to ignore. Remove the causes (read: do what is good for your people) and you remove the ones who want to destroy EU because people would not have a reason do destroy it.
Check his username bruv
Yeah, I took the bait there…
Just so you know, spez is the colossal dickhead CEO of Reddit, who fucked everything up and caused the Reddit exodus. This is a troll account.
Ah fuck, I fell for it 🫠
