Wouldn’t say China is ‘dead against’ the EU. China just does stuff which benefits them the most, I wouldn’t say they have an inherent resentment towards the EU. And unlike the US, I believe China sees that the EU is a viable partner economically and that they would do themselves a disfavour if they were damaging those relations. Something the US doesn’t understand, they just continue to isolate themselves further and further and suffer the consequences.
The EU’s concern is that if China becomes too dominant, their authoritarian politics could permeate across.
However, you are right about from China’s pov. They want to trade and be left alone (although, that doesn’t mean that China may one day not try to exert wider influence). They are trying to revive the concept of China being the centre of the world. For the Chinese, they call their country “Zhongguo” meaning “Middle Kingdom”. And before the European/Western dominance, countries were dying to form diplomatic and trade relations with China, which China kinda takes advantage of by demanding tributes from states who want to open relations. China knows they are the deal.
Well, USA is quite dominant and their imperial politics have been permeating across the world for quite some time.
Europe should probably focus inwards and try to gain more independence from outside actors. EU can do it, mostly, it just doesn’t want to because milions of voters cannot outvote a lobbying company.
With the current nation state model, people tend to side with the “lesser evil”. Before the second coming of Trump, people surveyed around the world expressed more favourable view of USA than China, although they trust neither.
Yeah. Democracy kinda forces lesser evil, no? Like you can’t find politician that has platform of any value to you, but everyone tells you to vote regardless, so you end up voting for whoever looks like a lesser evil.
If you can’t find a politician close enough to your values, become one (or support someone you trust in doing so)
I’d also add: china wants european customers, and brands, a lot more than they want anything from the US.
The US is in an unspoken alliance with Russia and China. It is the new axis of evil and the EU should be very concerned.
Is there really not a better source for this? Politico is part of Axel Springer press, which is inherently right wing and constantly spreading lies.
Maybe? I read the article, checked if a similar article had been posted already, it hadn’t so…
Start posting interesting articles from sources you think are good and perhaps the amount of politico articles goes down?
I don’t get why politico is singled out though. Plenty of cunts own newspapers.
If a similar article hasn’t been published by anyone else but a right-wing propaganda machine there might be a reason. Just saying…
Fuck politico and all the Springer press
Greek gov commits to waste billions on warships—that’s the story.
China is not against the EU. They have never done anything against us
China is not against the EU.
True, China is “for China”, mainly looking to profit.
They have never done anything against us.
That however is an stretch where does “against” start?
Like fueling, ICC’s wanted criminal war, Putin’s economy as he wages war on eastern Europe?
China does business with everyone and their position in the war is actually neutral. Xi Jinping is actually kinda pissed off by Putin since China had massive investments in Ukraine that have been destroyed, halted or ruined because of the war. China and Russia, in contrast of what is said in our media, are NOT allies. Or at least they are not allies as we mean it
PRC does business with everyone, criminals like Putin included, as EU does business with criminals like Netanyahu. Difference between neither Putin or Netanyahu can set foot in Europe, since they are wanted criminals by International Criminal Court.
Or at least they are not allies as we mean it
Of course not, Putin does the war crimes, PRC does the business with said criminal. It’s just business, you see.
…in league with war crimes but still, just, business.
China does business with everyone and their position in the war is actually neutral.
So neutral that they still don’t even call it war. So neutral. Wow.
China
doeswants to continue to do business with everyone and hence wants to sell the image of their position in the warisas being actually neutral while being knees deep in supporting Russia’s war machine.^Fixed it for you
Oh great, Euro-nationalism. No, sorry, we are well on track to being the continued lapdog of the US and this sorry excuse of a chauvinism won’t change anything.
As not being lap dog of someone like?
USA: lapdog for billionaire
Russia/China being lapdog for each other as one wage war and the other profit from it?
There’s no need for nationalism: Europe can do well with other decent countries, which are not Russia, USA, China and closeted allies (such Israel/India). Australia, Canada, Japan… basically any country of this planet which is not a dictatorship and,at very last, adhere to the International Criminal Court.
Wow, the audacity of this bit**. Dude has literally been the lapdog of the US for over 10 years, undermining every single sovereign stuff we had.
The irony is that the tension with China and Russia originates from the US. The Ukraine war cannot be undone but there is less to forgive than the cruelty of WW 2. If we split from the US we could rebuild our relations with China and Russia.
That’s why I believe that the tensions with the US are superficial. We don’t act as if the US are dead against us. We play good cop, bad cop because it would be difficult to explain to European democracies that we support the war against Iran to limit the oil supply for China.
Two days ago the son of the Shah was in Berlin. At least Germany supports the regime change.
Sure, except for the small imperialist invasion of Ukraine, Russia has been the most friendly and reliable partner for Europe. I wish we could forgive and forget 🥰
After ww2 germany was occupied for years. I don’t think Russia should be let off the hook for what they are doing in Ukraine.
Germany became trustworthy and stable through democratic systems and the rule of law. OP pulling an equivalence to Russia of today is insane.
I am not pulling an equivalence. I am not saying that current Russia should be treated like current Germany. I am just saying that there can be reconsiliation. Russia’s main demand is no Nato. If Europe can offer that because we split with America then we should check what Russia has to offer. Maybe Putin is willing to step down for it.
Lol no…just no. NATO and Ukraine being magically run by nazis is just an excuse. Putin wants power and to rebuild the USSR.
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna7632057
“First and foremost it is worth acknowledging that the demise of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century,” Putin said. “As for the Russian people, it became a genuine tragedy. Tens of millions of our fellow citizens and countrymen found themselves beyond the fringes of Russian territory.
That was in 2005. The writing was on the wall, and no one believed it.
Russia’s main demand is no Nato.
This is bullshit. ‘No NATO’ is one of Russia’s many lies, a talking point, a pushed narrative, a lie they used at some point. At the same time, Putin has publicly stated intention of getting control of UDSSR land “back”.
NATO was never an enemy of a collaborative or just Russia. It was only opposition to military action.
Giving in to ‘no Nato’ is giving up on autonomy and on being able to defend, with all its consequences.
Today’s USA under Trump is more of an ally to Russia than not. Trump is actively working for Putin and against Europe. It’s just that the political and systematic environment protects us from worse, for now.
Putin has publicly stated intention of getting control of UDSSR land “back”.
Do you have a source? I know there is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics with the author being close to Putin, and there is a quote in another comment in that direction. But it requires to win a war against Europe. That’s not realistic.
NATO was never an enemy of a collaborative or just Russia.
Russia wanted to be part of Nato. Putin’s speech in front of the German parliament in 2001 looks sincere to me. On the other hand chancellor Kohl’s notes show that the West never had the intention to integrate Russia but they promised it.
Giving in to ‘no Nato’ is giving up on autonomy and on being able to defend, with all its consequences.
There is article 42 of the EU. There is also nothing preventing Nato from officially fighting for Ukraine right now.
Today’s USA under Trump is more of an ally to Russia than not. Trump is actively working for Putin and against Europe.
Deception. Trump would be impeached if that would be true. The US still have their base in Wiesbaden, they just let the EU pay for everything.
Putin would need a strong but independent EU against the US while the US needs a fractured EU to keep them paying and following their lead. Both support the right wing parties but with different goals.
Maybe the people, but haven’t we learned by now you can’t trust a dictatorship? No more trade relations with dictators…
You are absolutely right in that dictatorships are unreliable and will either stab you in the back when you cozy up to them or try to stab you in the front if you don‘t. Unfortunately there are too many people and especially politicians that can‘t let go of the status quo because they either profited massively from it or in other cases at least think they did. They don‘t realize or care that the dream of prosperity by giving dictators what they want is becoming more and more of a nightmare for of us.
Simply put I think too many people are selfish and don‘t believe tensions with autocracies are negatively affecting them.
Which relations specifically do you suggest we rebuild?
The Russia before the recent invasion was a Russia preparing for war. Russia has and had explicit pursued goals of destabilization of Europe and making Europe dependent. and Russia wants its UDSSR land and control back. The US isn’t the problem in that relationship. I certainly don’t want back into that trajectory.
China has its own voiced claims and seekings of foreign territories. They’re fundamentally egoistic and pursuing control and dominance. It was an asymmetric trade, making use of the open European market while having a closed domestic market. They were stealing know-how and then used subsidization to weaken and drive out European competition. I don’t want back onto that relationship and trajectory either.
We need new kinds of relations. And the US doesn’t stand in the way of that. It’s another party we need new kinds of relations with.
Which relations specifically do you suggest we rebuild?
The relations of 2001 when Putin gave his speech to the German parliament. An economic union from Portugal till Vladivostok was on the table. Russia wants to be self-reliant now after we rejected that.
China has its own voiced claims and seekings of foreign territories. They’re fundamentally egoistic and pursuing control and dominance
Aren’t they justified to be cautious? If Europe could, we would treat them like Africa or the US like Latin America. Unlike the US we are already number two, so not much to lose if China becomes number one. Nobody knows how relations are if containment is not part of the equation.
We need new kinds of relations. And the US doesn’t stand in the way of that.
Which kinds? Mercosur was not a full success.
Two days ago the son of the Shah was in Berlin.
And the government made clear there won’t be an official meeting. Instead, he met with selected members of the Bundestag (parliament). What are you trying to say?
What they were saying is in the sentence following the one you quoted.
At least Germany supports the regime change.
Of course, as you point out, they’re making wrong assumptions or deliberately mislead. With that, what they were saying falls apart.
What are you trying to say? That that isn’t support? Laschet is the former chancellor candidate. That’s the highest ranking member of the CDU that still allows some form of denial. Obviously it works but why? How can the meeting be interpreted any different but as support?
Laschet is the former chancellor candidate.
So? Laschet is the current chair of the Bundestag’s Foreign Affairs Committee. Call me crazy, but I guess meeting with influential foreign political figures might have more to do with that than some election a couple of years ago.
And while he might support Pahlavi, not even his party is unanimously doing so. Meetings of political figures can also be used to voice concerns and criticism.
Hence, to insinuate that Germany supports him is at best uninformed, at worst malicious.
Of course, the meeting can be held for the personal goals of Laschet but how likely is that? Current chair of the Bundestag’s Foreign Affairs Committee, it can’t be much more official while the war is illegal.
Of course, the meeting can be held for the personal goals of Laschet but how likely is that?
No one here said that. When the current chair of the Bundestag’s Foreign Affairs Committee meets such a person (together with foreign affairs politicians from other parties), the most obvious reason for that meeting would be their respective function in foreign affairs.
Given the criticism from across a plethora of parties - involved and uninvolved - and the clear message by the government to not meet him, your statement of ‘Germany’ supporting is false: either uninformed or malicious.
The government doesn’t meet Pahlavi because it looks bad. How does it not look bad if somebody else meets him who has deep ties to the government?
Problem is that you keep on filling the circumstances with your own personal opinions/assumptions and then confuse these for facts. It is your choice to interpret these things in the most negative way possible or suspecting a conspiracy/“something bigger”, but don’t be surprised if others won’t follow you on that path and grow tired of you trying to keep that wheel spinning.
The facts are: the government explicitly stated they won’t meet Pahlavi. Pahlavi met with foreign affairs politicians / members of the Bundestag from various parties. These parties also raised concerns about this meeting. Laschet himself was cited with “Of course I want to talk to Pahlavi, as he’s a person of relevance when it comes to transition in Iran.” Details of this meeting and participants beyond Laschet are not known.
Yet, for you this is all clear and you’ll happily interpret it as a sign of support. Not only by Laschet, but the whole of Germany. What’s there left to say to that?
Fuck Russia. Putin and his oligarchs are a snake that nobody can trust.
100% this. Its crazy to see the mental gymnastics America’s vassals do to explain how a decision that fucks them over and benefits the US/hurts our enemies was actually good for Europe.
IDK about rebuilding your relationship with Russia tho, your and their national bourgeois have such conflicting interests, and even if they wanted peace, they can’t stop the fascists in either country.
have such conflicting interests
What are the conflicts? I thought the classic threat to the US is Russian resources and German engineering. Add the full EU to that and a single economic zone from Portugal to Vladivostok would become the central market of the world. The bourgeois must like that.
The Euro bourgeois want cheap resources, Russia has cheap resources. A developed Russia means expensive resources.
