telling me I’m new and I don’t have context isn’t contributing anything to this conversion.

you can start by making a counter argument, someone mentioned GNU tool chain reliance, they did a good job of swaying my opinion.

I don’t know what ur asking tbh, rephrase.

didn’t say that distros have to bend for my will in regards to needing to include options other than systemd, everyone is free to publish whatever they wish and If I don’t like it, I won’t use it, simple as that.

I’m just expressing a concern where over relying on one init system will limit options

I didn’t say people have to explore, I know its a choice

The “less pain” you experience today might come with the cost of being tied to the systemd ecosystem. If a future version introduces a breaking change or a bug that affects the whole stack, there is no easy “switch” to a lighter alternative without rebuilding the system, its closely tied to the Linux kernel and does more than it should.

though I agree with you on being scalable and easy to maintain that’s one of the pros of it being a monolithic suite, everything just works

mullvad vpn refuses to run on non-systemd init systems, had to do heavy tweaking to get it to run but ultimately ended up using the “manual” wireshark method.

I don’t have anything against mullvad, I’m a huge fan of their service but that’s one example

Idk. about the Linux idea and the freedom being at risk.

imagine this, you’re a windows user ready to make the jump, you’re looking at different distros and they’re all have a systemd init system.

you finally choose a distro and make the jump, you use ur os for a few months and you feel ready to explore the vast universe of different distros with different flavors, you had a great experience after all.

and then you switch to something like void Linux, technically able people will have no problem switching to this but someone who is used to the convince of systemd just because “it works” might just go back to what they’re comfortable with, this doesn’t encourage exploration and freedom of choice because systemd does everything for you and the apps you love and use might not be compatible with something other than systemd unless you heavily tweak things.

You’ve chosen another init system, they’ve chosen theirs -hopefully- for technical reasons.

Totally agree with you on this, not saying people shouldn’t choose their init system, they’re free to do so.

It’s Open Source. Nobody needs to use it

I didn’t mention anything about people needing to use it.

You have distros that have communal decision making, and if they find a benefit to systemd, then they’ll use systemd. Don’t use that distro if you don’t like it. There’s your freedom of choice.

I don’t have an issue with distros using systemd, my issue lies in how major distributions implemented systemd without other options, which created an environment where app developers have to build for the most common init system in mind, you don’t think that’s an issue? having apps only compatible with one init system like how some apps are only compatible with windows, that’s not libre, its still pushing users towards a specific obvious choice

I know I’m wrong for asking this question and being this vague, I was just trying to have a discussion on different possibilities on why this happened and if someone ran into a similar issue before and what was their solution / why it happened