Good it’ll slow down the atrocious e-waste I hope. Fucking everything doesn’t need wifi and blue tooth and bullshit.

What I am understanding from the atomics are that your view is right with caveats. Flatpaks only write to /home. But not all apps or software are flatpak. There is no standard for where apps write in Linux so some apps get wrote to system, some apps write to /home. Which allows creep and data scatter throughout a system.

It seems with traditional systems you gain good backups that are easy to redeploy should you need them. But config drift can creep up, updates break more easily, and rollbacks require up to date snapshots.

Atomics make rollbacks easier, but backups harder and more complex during restorations due to fragmented backup locations for different types of files. Also apps don’t always play well with say SElinux on fedora but it’s rare take Mullvad for instance its not a flatpak and they primarily update as. Deb or similar. Requiring distrobox or toolbox. Which is a whole other level of complexity.

I am basically trying to discern if I should go immutable or traditional OS install. Things sound great on paper. But daily driving is a different story.

I want security by default, sandbox/containerized apps, Wayland native, with solid backup support infrastructure. So not if but when and I do it often testing backups or re-deploying a machine. I can boot back in as close to never left as I can.

So continuity is paramount. I been eyeing fedora kiniote, fedora workstation KDE, Debian likely KDE. Only because cinnamon isn’t Wayland native yet and likely won’t be for a while.

Edit: Currently I been running NIXos. It’s been great but config only backups up system apps and not data or app state. However even under /home backups you’ll still lose system files unless their manually tracked and synced as well. It’s one giant hassle. I used to clonezilla but my search for other DEs and OSes that scratched the itch for stock Mints flaws has still evaded me.

I see and I’m going to check some of those out. There’s so much software in the open source world it’s hard to keep up, identify what is used for what.

I use conky for most stats on desktop, the default editor, default cinnamon terminal likely gnome, I’m going to look into the waybar though to see if it fills anything different that conky. I’m unsure why someone would need a window manager instead of tiling or dual monitor. Perhaps I don’t fully understand or I’m missing out on something, I’ve seen a lot of posts recently talking about window managers.

I use my PC fairly traditional. Nixos running cinnamon, I’ve tweaked it a bit but nothing outrageous as that’s when shit breaks or you go error hunting more often than I care too. My moving to nix was graduation from mint looking for even more stability through immutability and cutting out system drift with impermanence. I swap hardware as deals come along, so nix allowed for the most customization and ease of backups. Much more friendly for swapping hardware than a traditional OS.

I run Nix but never heard of Hyperland, ghosty, neovim, rofi, waybar? What are those? Extensions or programs?

Do you run it impermenant? Or traditional Nix style? I been thinking about running NIX with impermenance and then persisting all the important files so I can hardware swap, or just keep a lean, clean, more secure, self maintained system over time.

Just wanted to drop a comment.

I love solar. It’s the best form of energy that’s attainable by the average person.

Dell latitude 14 inch 5430 or similar, cheap ish. Its got all the wants and needs. Plenty of ports. Its dell so it’ll survive forever.

Untrue. I came from windows, to Linux mint, then now I daily nix. I’m an average person who prefers to be terminal hands off. I did a full custom install from my mint setup to nix, apps, luks, the entire swap and booted as if I never left basically. I faltered a few times and had to select previous generations in my boot menu but honestly it’d because somehow I fucked up my UUIDs. The learning curve is there but let me assure you it’s minimal in terms of linux, and it’s dead stable because nothing changes without you doing it. In 1000 years it should still be running Unadultered.

The point is not visuals, though I know what you mean. The point is to gain the introspection and Brain chemistry changes. Micro dosing less than . 5 grams daily for short periods NOT LONGTERM, are very effective control vs SSRIs. Large mega doses are where the real changes happen. I highly recommend significant research and carrful planning if you choose this route. Safety. Trip sitters. Be safe. There has been major changes in PTSD war veterans and all sorts if mental health issues.

Mega dose of mushrooms. Have you really tried everything? Micro dosing as well?

This but what they forgot is on multiple drives. Power failures, drive failures, lost, stolen, dropped, you name it. A good set of backups is fucking worth everything peace of mind and more. Automate your backup process and never look back!!!

Bazzite is a lot less user friendly than mint in major ways. You get everything in mint as you do on Bazzite. I switched to Bazzite and it lasted 2 days before going back to mint. KDE is too deep unnecessarily so. Bazzite doesn’t gain you much at all, at this point in time 3 years ago or so I’d not said the same thing. Mint is so polished for gaming shit usually just works now. It’s not worth the hype, hassle. I’ve distro hopped and always came back to mint.

Source is I been there and done all that and more. Your not missing out on anything. Spin up a live USB and try it but believe me dearly it’s not worth moving all your stuff reinstalling etc etc. Keep the work flow you got and master it. Other options have more maintenance and headaches.

Which laptop? We gotta know who to light up the pitch forks for.

Mint is step 1. Shit just works. Welcome to graduation.

Not entirely true. I have several chronic and severe health issues. ChatGPT provides nearly and surpassing medical advice (heavily needs re-verified) from multiple specialialty doctors. In my country doctors are horrible. This bridges the gap albeit again highly needing oversight to be safe. Certainly has merit though.

You have some decent hardening, just note x11 is turning legacy, wayland seems to be picking up for many reasons. I’m only slightly familiar with Debian as a whole. I’d look into firejail, app armour, firetools GUI for Firejail, flatseal, and good backup plans.

I discovered NIXos a few days ago and while it was a steep learning curve to set up! And I mean a learning curve and steep in all senses. It’s quite possibly the smoothest, simplest distro I’ve ever used once you make it run. Instant rollbacks in grub. It boots in grub in order. Boot 23 works you tried tweaking boot 24 failed, you made it work boot 25. Got mad. Select boot 23 in grub and your back to square one. 10 seconds.

Due to the nature of it you can choose like any desktop type you’d like from xfce to cinnamon or names I never heard of even headless, and literally any of them gnome, KDE, you name it. I like simplicity. Low mental load. Immutable is a chef’s kiss but configurable strikes my fancy.

I loathe getting scattered it symlinks, scripts, having files I forget about scattered all through my system, shit updates and breaks because I firejailed an app from 2 years ago. So much hassle. I like to boot and go. Keeping all if my configs in literally 2 nix files is fantastic, no more where did this go, or where did this write to. It will never change, update and break, it’s like a master key that will forever work. Just don’t lose your config and any hardware, any time, if you have your master file you can boot in like you was at your machine the time you left.

I still think about my first love, Linux mint so I installed cinnamon and now I feel I got the best of both worlds. I nearly gave up after a few days OK like 4 or 5 lol of attempting a custom install of NIX, full luks from boot to home, all my installed apps and configs, separated partitioning, containerized apps, I went all out. Idles at 1% CPU themed and applets, desklets, conky, etc. Created a couple copies of my NIX config file and I feel fairly safe. I built it all and tweaked then compiled it all finalized. Once you understand the concepts in their coding style, it’ll click in your brain.

I went straight from Windows, to Mint for 2 years barely touching terminal. Now with a little internet research for commands. I can crawl through almost any issue. I’ve broken so much stuff. But atleast it wasn’t a windows update borking/bricking my entire PC into a paperweight again. I chose to experiment. I’ve cussed myself so many times. But anything is better than going backwards.

I didn’t know it existed. Whoops. I will definitely check it out over silver blue.

I’ve heard good things about work-station. I’ve really been distro shopping and that’s the great thing about the Linux and open source community. Having all the options! That being said I think it’s a big part of the lack of cohesive expansion too. Going too wide instead of deep. So projects don’t last unless their big. Like Ubuntu or Debian etc

The goal is to not let them take their fucking money and run. Because then it would be real… So you come up with a new idea, a better idea, a NEW STOCK.

IYKYK 😂

Linux Mint would like a word. Best choice tech wise I ever made. Shit just works and it’s dead simple, polished, easy to learn and read programs. Fuck Windows. I will never go back. Make the jump!