I believe it should be all over the media to ensure that it never passes. Democracy dies in darkness. Name and shame those who supported it.

“Because there was push back and the EU decided to not go forward with a vote and be embarrassed, that means they never really wanted it at all” is one of the dumbest takes I’ve heard in a minute.

EU is a democracy with different opinions, and when a small group of facists tries to read your chats, it does not represent the EU opinion.

But the whole media got you thinking so. Proving even on Lemmy, you and me are extremly prone to propaganda.

This is what the EU democracy opinion was as of July 2024 BTW, before the “media got to you”:

Let’s not protest terrible ideas to not embarrass facists (who may or may not be part of your/our government) or what’s supposed to be the message here?

Good news. But I’m downvoting that post. OP’s living in reverse crying-wolf land, it seems.

First, Chat Control got further than previous attempts, with a bigger scope than ever. Being worried about that is not the result of propaganda.

Second, a lot of countries where on board, including Germany. Stuff changed after lot of feedback. You can be cynical all you want arguing that “people’s voice don’t matter” and saying there’s no causality there, but people made themselves heard, and thing moved. There’s no telling what would have happened if they didn’t.

The proposal being ultimately shot down (this time!) does not mean, at ALL, that it wasn’t a very dangerous one.

If that graphic is accurate, the media didn’t “get” anyone. Seems some countries are actually gun-ho with the elimination of privacy, and its a movement that doesn’t die with one failed vote.

Y’all are getting too fucking comfortable. Authoritarianism is always around the corner, even when things feel safe.

This is a terrible map, lumping neutral and opposed together? I am against chat control but ffs we don’t need more misleading media with the internet already dying under waves of automated misinformation

Jesus Christ, you think this will be the last attempt?

What a bizarre take. The EU council is backing down - they do want chat control but each time they propose it they meet resistance and back down. Then they come back again and try again.

To suggest the public reaction is overblown and media manipulation is bizarre. This is the 3rd or 4th time the EU has attempted to get this through. Just because they chickened out of a vote doesn’t mean the politicians don’t want this.

In a democracy votes happen. In the EU they keep resurrecting this terrible idea hoping to get it through but then backing away if they don’t think they can win. They know if there was an actual vote it likely would put an end to his.

Also the EU council is the antithesis of a democracy. It is not directly elected - instead it’s a club of the heads of states of all the countries in the EU. It just represents who happens to be in charge of each country, and gives equal weights to all those countries regardless of their population size. The EU has a Parliament but it’s a fig leaf of democracy as so much power is held in bodies like the Council and the Commission (which is 1 post per state and horse traded not elected).

So please don’t make this out as a sign that EU democracy works. If EI democracy was working properly they would have listened the first time, and they’d have moved to a directly elected system for the executive Council and commission years ago.

The EU gets too much of a free pass for “not being America” but it’s got huge problems that need fixing to make it an actual democracy.

Would the outcome have been the same without people in the media repeatedly bringing this to everyone’s attention? Probably not, because there would have been no public pressure against it, while the shadow groups that want this would have still been lobbying the politicians.

Something bad is going to happen.
Some people advocate to stop that bad thing.
Even more people are holding their clutches that the bad thing might happen.
Because of public pressure, action is undertaken to prevent the bad thing from happening.
Thanks to those efforts, the bad thing is successfully averted.

Some random person: that bad thing was never going to happen, look at all those gullible people who were panicking over nothing, we could have just done nothing and the outcome would have been the same.

Also known as the “preparedness paradox”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preparedness_paradox

I think you should never take these things lightly.

It’s better to be too cautious than not cautious enough, especially since there are powerful interest groups that want mass surveillance.

The people don’t want that, of course, but many politicians do, as evidenced by the fact that Palantir is being introduced in Germany, of all places, and completely illegally. This must be prevented, and the population has a role to play in this—for example, with petitions like this one, which already has more than 400,000 signatures: Trump software Palantir: Stop surveillance plans

What an idiotic take on the issue.

What kind of nonsense is this writeup? Media “got to me”? Look, you see Denmark? You see how it’s in support of chat control?

Yeah, that’s my country. So it’s a rather serious issue here.

What politicians want and what the public wants are often totally different things. People vote on a few hot-button issues like immigration, and for stuff that gets less attention, politicians do what they want. So calling attention to chat control likely made a significant difference.

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