German weapons-maker Rheinmetall opened Europe's largest munitions plant on Wednesday, a move hailed as boosting Western defences by NATO chief Mark Rutte.

German weapons-maker Rheinmetall opened Europe’s largest munitions plant on Wednesday, a move hailed as boosting Western defences by NATO chief Mark Rutte.

  • Quittenbrot@feddit.orgEnglish
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    3 days ago

    Aren’t we at war to defend the values that allow us to have divergent opinions?

    While Ukraine does indeed also fight this war for the future of a free Europe, we are not at war.

    But although Ukraine also fights for our values that allow us to have divergent opinions, that doesn’t stop people here that like to take an opposing position towards various matters to root for the other side. Can you say you want Ukraine to be victorious against Russia?

    • plyth@feddit.orgEnglish
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      3 days ago

      It is a hybrid war with a lose lose lose situation for Ukraine. Win, lose, keep fighting, nothing is good. Seeing this like a sport event with teams to root for ignores how entwined the situation is.

      • Quittenbrot@feddit.orgEnglish
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        3 days ago

        Russia invaded Ukraine and right now, Ukraine has to fight Russia in order to survive. Nothing cloudy about that.

        Everyone will have an opinion on the question whether they want Ukraine to succeed. Russia has a clear opinion, I have a clear opinion,…

        • plyth@feddit.orgEnglish
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          3 days ago

          Seeing this like a sport event with teams to root for ignores how entwined the situation is.

          • Quittenbrot@feddit.orgEnglish
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            3 days ago

            The “team” I root for is fighting for its survival.

            It’s your choice whether you want to root for them to survive or don’t.

            • plyth@feddit.orgEnglish
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              3 days ago

              It’s your choice to frame this as a competition of teams or not.

              What will be the outcome if Ukraine wins?

              Have you seen the surveillance that is coming up for the EU and the tendency to dissolve the nation states? Kyiv is fighting to be ruled by Brussels in exchange for Moscow. Ukraine won’t survive in the EU either.

              • Quittenbrot@feddit.orgEnglish
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                3 days ago

                Kyiv is fighting to be ruled by Brussels in exchange for Moscow. Ukraine won’t survive in the EU either.

                Trying to equate the atrocities* Russia has so far conducted on Ukrainian soil and with Ukrainian people with being subject to EU regulations? Really?

                *at least those we know of right now… who knows what else will surface up…

                  • Quittenbrot@feddit.orgEnglish
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                    3 days ago

                    That’s exactly the choice Ukraine is facing right now: give in to Russia’s constant violent aggression and cease to exist or securing independence within the framework of ‘Western’ nations and finally freeing itself from the poisonous Russian influence and oppression.