Title text:
Unstoppable force-carrying particles can’t interact with immovable matter by definition.
Transcript:
[An arrow pointing to the right and a trapezoid are labeled as ‘Unstoppable Force’ and ‘Immovable Object’ respectively.]
[The arrow is shown as entering the trapezoid from the left and the part of it in said trapezoid is coloured gray.]
[The arrow is shown as leaving the trapezoid to the right and is coloured black.]
[Caption below the panel:] I don’t see why people find this scenario to be tricky.
Source: https://xkcd.com/3084/
So neutrinos?
Dammit I should have posted my exact same solution back when I thought of it for the first time, but I was lazy so eh my fuck up
Noooooo! You’re violating my binary thinking! Either A or B has to win!
Pretty sure none of these exist so idk why it bothered any1 in the first place.
There are some pretty close physical analogs that are fun to think about. You cant move a black hole by exerting physical force on it in the normal way so practically infinite gravity wells are like a immovable “object”, though if you’re sufficently nerdy enough you can cook some fun ways to harness its gravitational rotation into a kind of engine, or throw another black hole at it to create a big explosion and some gravitational waves which are like a kind of unstoppable force moving at the speed of light.
if people only bothered to think about things that exist (especially things that they think exist) we would probably go the way of the dodo. funnily enough that would prevent the dodos from going that way but whatever.
I highly recommend watching the Vsauce video on supertasks—it’s a great video as expected from Vsauce but also ends on a great note about people and their tendency to think about things like this.
Neutrinos are pretty close to an unstoppable force: they can pass right through the earth without being stopped.
I believe this is an expectation of dark matter, to being even closer to an unstoppable force. Perhaps a reason we haven’t found it yet would a because we don’t have a detector that can stop it
You clearly haven’t met my mother.
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So who would win in a fight between the Juggernaut and the Blob?
That has been debated to death before and it obviously depends on the writer and version of the characters, but in most cases neither are fully immovable or unstoppable. If they were, Juggernaut would probably just be redirected and keep going.
A little more practically speaking, Juggernaut wins easily:
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The Blob is a mutant who can basically lock himself to the ground with a short distance around him and become immovable in relation to the ground while being able to absorb most impacts to effectively eliminate the force experience by him and thus the ground.
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The Juggernaut is not a mutant, but an avatar of Cyttorak the Destroyer, the God/Demon ruler of the Crimson Cosmos dimension. He can tap into more and more of that power to the point where he can fight a somewhat angry Hulk on almost equal ground(he’s even defeated him with some help).
Even if you let Blob be immovable and able to ignore all kinetic force, he still has a big weakness: He’s not very superhuman when it comes to other forms of damage, or just pain in general. As demonstrated when he tried to go after one of the intelligent versions of Hulk. Hulk realized he couldn’t move or hurt him, so he grabbed his stomach and started pulling. It quickly hurt so much that he instinctively stopped anchoring himself to the ground. At which point he basically became an invincible bouncing ball since he can’t attach to the air. SoHulk treated him as one, until he sent him flying by using a big metal girder as a bat. And it’s important to note that Blob is not very strong or good at fighting when it comes to superhumans, since he basically just relies on his powers.
And to expand on the Crimson Cosmos: It is so powerful that Doctor Strange taps into it to contain Hulk. It’s even used to contain Thanos with most of the stones in the MCU(The red cloth strips that hold him is a spell called the “Crimson Bands of Cyttorak”)
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so if god creates rock so heavy that it can’t lift it, its hand just passes through the rock? makes sense.
I think if God creates a rock so heavy he can’t lift it, it’s probably a black hole. By definition we can’t know what happens inside a black hole, because no information escapes the event horizon. As it’s now consistent with known physics that we can’t know many aspects of this interaction between God and the black hole, I think this paradox is basically solved. We don’t know any more about the interaction, but it’s no longer a paradox, it’s consistent with physics.
Actually, the new theory is that the hawking radiation exfiltrates information from inside the black hole via quantum entanglement. Of course, it hasn’t been tested yet for obvious reasons.
But black holes have finite mass. By “heavy” you’re implying it’s infinitely heavy or something.
You can definitely also lift a black hole.
Well I don’t know about any objects more massive than black holes. I think a black hole is really the only viable form a body can take once there’s enough matter in one place, like there’s an upper limit for the size of stars and after that anything larger collapses into a black hole.
An object of infinite mass is a contradiction, a universe can’t exist with a single object of infinite mass, it would consume everything instantly.
OK, but being very massive is not the same as what was being discussed.
You can also “lift” a finitely massive black hole with anything else massive.
OK, but being very massive is not the same as what was being discussed.
Are you sure? I mean the word “heavy” was what I was going on, but there is a distinction I suppose.
You can also “lift” a finitely massive black hole with anything else massive.
Yeah, that’s true… But again, I do have to stress that there is no alternative to “finitely massive” you really can’t have an object of infinite mass in our universe.
Edit: So I guess it comes down to this: If “lift” and “move” are synonymous, then anyone can move any object of finite mass. An object of infinite mass can’t exist in this universe. So you could say that the answer to the question is definitively no, God can’t create a rock so big that he couldn’t lift it, at least not given the laws of physics in this universe as he created it. (For this conjecture we’re assuming God exists and created the universe).
If God created this universe he could in theory also create other universes with different laws of physics. So in that case, sure, why not, who knows.
It may be worth it to decide how we define ‘unstoppable force’ and ‘immovable object’.
An Immovable Object has 0 velocity:
v = 0
Acceleration is the time derivative of velocity:
a = d/dt(v(t))
a = d/dt(0)
a = 0
And we know that
a = Fnet / m
An object with infinite mass would satisfy this equation, but an object with no net force would too. We could add a correction force that will satisfy the constraint of 0 net force.
|Fnet| = 0
∑Fi = 0
Fcorrection + … = 0
To satisfy Newton’s 3rd law, we would need a reaction force to our correction force somewhere, but let’s not worry about that for now.
A physics definition of ‘Unstoppable Force’ is:
|Funstoppable| =/= 0
In this case the gravitational force fits this description, given a few constraints
Fg = Gm∑ Mi / xi2
As long as the gravitational constant G is not 0, our object has mass, and
∑ Mi / xi2 =/= 0, then
|Fg| > 0
But this does feel kinda like cheating because it’s not really what people mean by ‘unstoppable force’. the other way to define it is just immovable object in a different reference frame.
a = 0, |v| > 0
I’m gonna stop here because this is annoying to type out on mobile
I create an immovable basketball hoop.
You have an unstoppable basketball.
What’s the issue?
I like to jam, but sometimes I also like to slam
Ugh. This is a good point. Force = energy, and even an immovable object can carry energy. I assume.
