• AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world
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    In an interview with the Journal, Neuralink’s first patient, 29-year-old Noland Arbaugh, opened up about the roller-coaster experience. “I was on such a high and then to be brought down that low. It was very, very hard,” Arbaugh said. “I cried.” He initially asked if Neuralink would perform another surgery to fix or replace the implant, but the company declined, telling him it wanted to wait for more information.

    Neuralink isn’t just treating humans like guinea pigs, they’re treating them like disposable guinea pigs.

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      Or they want to actually have something that has a chance of working before doing it again…I doubt installing one of these things is a walk in the park and every install carries a high risk … I sure hope patient #2 is getting something with a possible fix…

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    Man I deleted my account because I didn’t want Musk involved in my newsfeed. I can’t imagine giving that fool direct access to my brain.

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        Yes, good point. These people are desperate, so we should let a wildly irresponsible company, who during animal testing had identified the thread retraction issue and not fixed it, we should let them experiment on desperate humans because fuck them I guess.

        Yeah the guy was able to do something cool for a while, but now he’s quickly getting back to where he was and with bonus bits of metal all over his brain and no way to fix the problem.

        I don’t know if that’s a trade he or anyone would have made going in.

        They need to stop messing around with this Musk “fail fast” approach, that’s not acceptable in medicine. You can’t speed up your research by endangering the most desperate people in society.

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            They tested on animals, identifying the retraction issue… Then did nothing and installed it into a human anyway.

            In your example it’d be shampoo that chemically burns pig scalps that is pushed to market for humans anyway.

            Stop being an apologist and think about what it means to have billionaires treating desperate people as guinea pigs for invasive technology testing.

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                Look, at this point it’s just an agree to disagree thing. You think it’s ok for companies to do irreversible operations as long as subjects are desperate enough to consent. Others think that’s abusive. There’s obviously no changing your mind. That’s ok, just move on.

                And no. If you’ve spent any amount of time here then you know that a ton of people here are also against bezos and pretty much every other billionaires out there.

                And for what it’s worth, I do see your point. And I’d probably be inclined to agree. But at the same time, I do see the fact that it’s morally questionable

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        He literally said he “was a waste”

        And now he’s not a “waste” anymore, right?

        He’s now a piece of meat to be used and abused for the egotistical whims of one of the world’s most notorious capitalist parasites.

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            Can I get a valid source on this?

            Have you seen how Musk treats his employees? And the test subjects Tesla calls “customers”?

            No… I’m going to need proof that he wasn’t abused - extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, after all.

            I will defend Nuralink and Nolan.

            …which you won’t be doing without defending Musk.

            Nolan has had no negative experience from this yet.

            FTFY.

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                Is Nolan an employee?

                That actually matters to you?

                How can you have an extraordinary claim and refuse to provide evidence,

                If you have proof that he wasn’t I’m all ears.

                Based on your argument I’ll assume your a MAGA kinda person.

                If I was sympathetic to fascists or the capitalist parasites fascists serve I’d be defending Musk - you know… like you’re doing?

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        No one has an issue with the notion of creating a technology that allows paralyzed people to control a computer with their mind.

        Where people have an issue is that Musk was told multiple times by multiple people that an implant likely will never be 100% feasible because the brain moves around in the skull, making keeping a connection tricky at best and likely impossible. (hence why the threads have retracted)

        He’s been told on multiple occasions that a non-invasive tech that is both more reliable and less risky is actually FAR more feasible. But his ego and his hard-on for being “edgy” basically makes him want to do things as “sci fi” as possible because a node that sticks to the side of your head isn’t as cool as an implant (to him).

        Nolan would be just as happy. Just as capable. and just as helpful to the research with something less intrusive, but then Musk wouldn’t think of himself as cool.

        tl;dr - No one has a problem with the concept. But the invasive way it’s being implemented is 100% because of Musk’s ego driven self-delusion of himself.

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        When someone claims they want to improve your quality of life, you need to consider the source, especially when it’s Elon Musk. And especially when he wants to screw with your BRAIN.

        Your faith in the benevolence of billionaires is adorable but history has shown us that for the most part, billionaires are vain, greedy, brutal sociopaths. Especially Musk, who is an apartheid-loving fascist.

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            In an interview with the Journal, Neuralink’s first patient, 29-year-old Noland Arbaugh, opened up about the roller-coaster experience. “I was on such a high and then to be brought down that low. It was very, very hard,” Arbaugh said. “I cried.” He initially asked if Neuralink would perform another surgery to fix or replace the implant, but the company declined, telling him it wanted to wait for more information.

            Oh yeah, words of happiness right here! So much QOL, I’m glad you enjoy this.

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                That’s just not how medical research works. Modern medicine isn’t built on trying unproven technology on desperate people and using their bodies as a fast track stairway to success. Medical experiments have to ensure human dignity and that doesn’t include “he was desperate enough to say yes” as a rationale.

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            your an idiot. "His"tech has not helped anyone. why? cause he can’t deliver on his product, hence why he should not be allowed to experiment on people that have it hard already.

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    I almost want to work there just to know exactly how it all went down. Plus who knows maybe I could help.

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    In other words

    Neuralink to implant 2nd human with brain chip as 85% of first one failed.