OpenAI boss Sam Altman wants $7tn. For all our sakes, pray he doesn’t get it::The man behind ChatGPT is wooing the UAE to invest in energy-hungry AI. But if it turns out his tech can’t fix the world, he’s got his escape plan

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    Wake me up when “ai” makes the amount of CO2 in the earth’s atmosphere trend downward. Generative AI is just a way to burn electricity to take value produced by humans and then replace those same humans, all to line the pockets of the companies that can afford to churn all the data in the world.

    For the handful of genuinely cool and interesting things it can do, the number of extremely awful costs and externalities is like 1000x worse.

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    I’m glad perspectives has stopped treating Sam Altman like a tech God. dude is second coming of every FAANG CEO and Elon combined. there’s no way that guy isnt up to no good.

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    Before he was a thundering asshat at Y Combinator, he started a mobile company that sold your location to brands called Loopt. He’s a piece of work.

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      I am thinking of getting a tomtom. Tired of my phone trying to throw a fit when I disable location after I’ve figured out my way to my destination.

      So much of this advertising economy depends on it and we just give it away.

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        Just learn how to navigate properly with a map. You know where you are (hopefully) and you look up where you’re going. Do your own routing, it’s not hard and once you’ve been doing it for awhile you’ll have instinctive routes you use to link different areas. No location permissions required.

        If you use navigation all the time you can become like my ex-wife. Lost without it, in her own city. Exercise your brain by finding your way around with landmarks and signage, I have never used navigation apps because I know my way across three provinces, and can navigate the major cities just based on my instinctive mental maps of them.

        Edit: I don’t mean a paper map. But being able to use your phone’s map software to find a route without it dictating every turn to you is a valuable skill that is apparently getting lost. What are you going to do if your phone dies, will you be able to go anywhere?

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          I’m not about to downvote you, but, I seriously don’t miss paper maps.

          Every time there’s a new neighborhood somewhere you have no freaking clue where a road is because you need to go out and buy the latest paper map.

          I’ll just use open street map thanks.

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            I’m not talking about paper maps, I use Google maps myself. I do like the feel of a paper map but they aren’t practical anymore for the reasons you mentioned.

            I even search for my destination and look at where I’m going.

            However I don’t use the navigation feature. Never seen the need. If I can’t find my way around the city without an AI holding my hand, I’ve got dementia.

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          I miss the giant almanacs the car insurance company would give you each year that had all of the US states in them. We would plot routes for cross country trips. I can use a paper or digital map, but I do like using something like Google Maps to see traffic, construction, and accidents when I travel. I use it at home when going into certain areas as I have no idea what state the current construction disaster is that day compared to a few days ago.

          Otherwise, I find it important to learn how to navigate cities without maps. When I moved, I used to drive around the city in random directions to see how it looked, what the street names were, and get a sense of the layout. If things started to look like gang territory, or super shady, I would just turn around.

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          “exercise your brain” lol. Another way to look at it is using precious brain power that could be used on other things. Also, it’s cringe to take pride in being able to navigate without a map. It’s useless knowledge in most cases. We all have phones.

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            Other things like what, driving the car? Chatting with your passengers? Orienting your cheeseburger properly? Hopefully you can handle all of these at once and still not miss your turn.

            Are you so inept in your life that you need your phone to tell you where you’re going?

            Where I live the roads have no names and the cell coverage is marginal. Some roads are flooded, some covered with snowdrifts… Some haven’t been passable for years. I don’t know a single person who uses the navigation features of their smartphone.

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        Don’t get a tom tom. Learn to use real paper maps. I use google maps most of the time because its fast and works. But anytime I’m out in the bush I have gps turned off I use maps I’ve bought or ones I’ve made. Learning to read and understand maps has made a big difference in my life.

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    If he wants $7tn, he better pay for all the content he stole to do it. Fuck these guys, wanting to become unfathomably rich off other people’s labour.

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    The US collects about 5 trillion in revenue a year. This fucker wants a budget on the scale of the biggest revenue of a country on earth. That’s more power than the president has. Fuck this guy. Nobody deserves that much trust.

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    Bruh
    I’d be jumping on the ceiling with 700 AUD. The hell is he gonna do with 7000000000000 USD?

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    For all our sakes, pray he doesn’t get it

    It doesn’t really go into why not.

    If governments are going to be pouring money into something, I’d prefer it to be in the tech industry.

    Imagine a cold-war / Oppenheimer situation where all the governments are scared that America / Russia / UAE will reach AI supremacy before {{we}} do? Instead of dumping all the moneyz into Lockheed Martin or Raytheon for better pew pew machines - we dump it into better semiconductor machinery, hardware advancements, and other stuff we need for this AI craze.

    In the end we might not have a useful AI, but at least we’ve made progression in other things that are useful

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      What benefits to “AI supremacy” are there? Going to hand the keys to defense and the internet to it? What could go wrong…

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        What benefits to “AI supremacy” are there?

        I wasn’t saying there was any, I was saying there are benefits to the race towards it.

        In the sense of - If you could pick any subject that world governments would be in a war about - “the first to the moon”, “the first nuclear” or “first hydrogen bomb”, or “the best tank” - or “the fastest stealth air-bomber”

        I think if you picked a “tech war” (AI in this case) - Practically a race of who could build the lowest nm fabs, fastest hardware, and best algorithms - at least you end up with innovations that are useful

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      Why not? Here’s one reason - because the planet is burning from climate change and we need a shit ton more resources for solving it. It’s unlikely that AI would help much with that. Of course the UAE isn’t too interested in the world moving away from fossil fuels.

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        Ok, sure. So in a tech race, if energy is a bottleneck - and we’d be pouring $7tn into tech here - don’t you think some of the improvements would be to Power usage effectiveness (PUE) - or a better Compute per Power Ratio?

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          There may be PUE. However AI adds significant net new energy expenditure. Even if you get higher efficiency per compute unit, you’re still burning more coal and gas, or using renewable capacity that could be going towards replacing coal and gas. And then in this particular example 7T is a huge amount of capital that could move the needle on so many difficult climate problems like decarbonizing steel, concrete and ag. I think spending that on AI that will likely only accelerate us towards planetary ecosystem destruction is … not great to say it politely. 😂 Climate change is an existential problem for our species. The lack of AI advancement, even the lack of AGI is not. If there was any likely solution to climate change that could come out of AI, I might think differently. However we have all the computation methods needed to analyze and solve what we can about climate change. We just need much more resources in doing those things now.

          Speaking of compute optimization, someone who’s actually built chips just chimed in on the matter.

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    Luddite nonsense. AI will drive productivity gains which will help research in photovoltaics, nuclear fusion, carbon capture (also needed for SpaceX’s Mars mission), etc. and improve society.