Article states the use of an electron beam to enable this. So not currently scalable, but still a seemingly significant result.
Oooohhh, battery revolution claim #3515351657829, one of these days one of em MUST be true!
Sounds nice, wake me up when it’s available
You can probably sleep for a heckin long time.
1k mile or kilometer range? Which is it? I’m inclined to believe it’s kilometers. Time to read the article, I suppose. It’s enticing either way.
They demonstrated 40% increase in energy density.
The stuff about the range appears to be simply applying that percentage to common EV ranges, which is nonsense. It’s probably more likely that an increase in energy density would be used to decrease battery size, leading to cheaper and lighter EVs
Sodium is the future of batteries right now.
Projections from BNEF suggest that sodium-ion batteries could reach pack densities of nearly 150 watt-hours per kilogram by 2025. And some battery giants and automakers in China think the technology is already good enough for prime time. 1
+1 for them not exploding too.
Why is it superior to Li-Ion? Li-Ion has an energy density of up to 180.
because it has the potential to be sustainable, cheaper, and less explosive. It’s not technically superior as far as energy density goes, but right now batteries are prohibitive in many applications, moreso due to cost than weight.
and Glass pack batteries
That would go a long way towards solving the range anxiety barrier. 1000km is close to the maximum that same people can do in a single day. Yes, you could push further in a day in a pinch, but not comfortably unless you’re rotating drivers. It’s pretty close to the limits enforced on long haul truck drivers in Canada or the US (depends on speed limits and traffic density and a few other things).
How many gas powered cars can go 1000km without refueling?
Refueling takes 5 mins max, recharging right now takes 15-20 mins if there is a super charge station.
After driving non-stop for 200+ miles I’m more than happy to take a break for 15-30 minutes to stretch my legs, hit the bathroom, grab some food, etc. My wife and I have done precisely this on multiple road trips that we’ve taken in our EV.
I wish people would stop obsessing so much over range. Once we have decent charging infrastructure in place and people overcome all the FUD, this will simply cease to be relevant.
Some people don’t want to feel like they have to stop every hour for 15-20 minutes. If I’m going on a long road trip I’m fine driving 300-400 miles without stopping. I’m probably a minority but I’m sure I’m not the only one.
We need more data for everyone to see.
We need to see what the average vehicle owner does with their vehicles.
Because the people who use their cars they most need the best experience, but they used the vehicle differently than the majority of people.
Evs need to be released on different models for different styles.
If you only travel with people that need constant breaks, then there no reason needing a 15 to 20 minute break frequently can’t be made to work with a lower range vehicle if you only need to do long trips a few times a year or less. The savings of having that vehicle the rest of the time should be made to more than offset any special needs that aren’t needed often.
There’s other options to explore as well. Like it’s easy to find example of vehicles with multiple gas tanks. If you need an extended battery there should be a trailer like attachment that extends the range of your vehicle. Make towing something get you better range because the thing you added towing is extra “fuel”
I’m sure there are technical problems that will need to be addressed or solved and it might require car companies to change designs about to make it seams but it’s very doable
You’re certainly not the only one but you’re also being grossly irresponsible. Sufficient breaks are essential for staying attentive. Not stopping for five or six hours is just asking for disaster. Just think about what you’re going to feel like if you killed someone because you fell asleep at the wheel.
Edit: and as per usual, lots of downvotes but no counterargument
Gonna upvote you, anyone who isnt taking regular breaks on long trips is asking for trouble. This is true of anything we do. No one here is going to argue we should work for 5-8 hours without a break.
They only make driving lessons 45 minutes because any longer and you start to lose concentration.
Truck drivers have to take breaks every 4.5 hours for 45 minutes.
When studying they recommend a 15 minute break every 45 minutes
When learning in school lessons are 45 minutes to an hour due to concentration lapsing and you get a break in the middle of the day.
If you are being downvoted its only by people who dont think about what you are saying or they think they are superhuman and the normal limitations of human beings dont apply to them.
Yea…no. Most of the USA is rural areas, range is a huge deal.
You just need a charging station every hundred kilometres or so, that’s perfectly doable even in sparsely populated areas. In fact, this kind of infrastructure is far easier to roll out than gas stations.
Not to be a dick but do you realize how rural rural America is?
They have electricity there, don’t they?
I’d rather not refuel in -20F weather on a single trip. Add in a trailer and a road trip becomes a charging trip with intermittent driving.
Yep. People in the city, EVs are fine. For those of us who haul or have to drive farther than 20 miles it becomes an issue. It’s not there just yet for us. I’m still holding out for hydrogen ICE motors.
I agree that increased range would be better - I’ve had cars (diesel) that could get nearly 600 miles on one tank and that allows you to do a lot more wandering though the countryside that is just not possible in an ev in the rural US. But it’s way more than 20 miles. Did you mean 200 miles?
I’m currently on a road trip in my 2021 EV and it can definitely be made to work, but it is definitely limiting on any spontaneous side excursions you find, which can be a pretty big bummer.
Double the range would definitely be appreciated for my use cases.
Where do you get the idea from that an EV only has 20 miles of range? Have you ever even seen an EV let some driven one?
Uhh where did I say that they only had 20 mile range? I said for those of us who have a drive that’s farther than 20miles one way. Most of people who travel usually do 45-60 miles just going to and from work daily. Then you add in errands, the range needs to be better.
Yeah, we should make all our infrastructure decisions based on the rarest edge cases.
You do what you want. But I’ll make my infrastructure decisions based on my edge cases. Others will as well. Sometimes those edge cases are important to people.
Wait you think digging a hole and putting in a few tanks to store gas is harder than having substations near by to power super charge stations?
The answer is no, no it is not easier or cheaper.
So what do they power those gas pumps with? Electricity, by any chance?
You do understand a 400amp service is usually what those stations run off of right? You’re not getting multiple super chargers from 400amps. You need substations for them.
I drive 82 miles a day on average according to my tracking, but that frequently involves days of 400+ miles. And since I drive in hill country and require air conditioning most of the years I know the range estimates are wildly optimistic versus real-world performance.
And charging a car isn’t like filling up with gas. It’s not a 3-minute stop. If a car can get me as far as I’m willing to drive in a day, then an overnight charge seems like an option.
But even then, since I’m a renter and always will be because of the shit going on with housing I can’t get a fast charger.
All of this is to say that it’s not 1 issue. It’s all of them. Range, charging speeds, and availability of chargers ALL have to be addressed and essentially 100% reliable before I can risk owning an all-electric vehicle.
I always find it amusing how people go through such mental contortions to justify not buying an EV. If you don’t want an EV, just don’t buy one. Nobody cares.
That’s the thing. I DO want one.
But there’s still significant drawbacks, and some of them are being completely ignored. The renter issue is HUGE.
FWIW I’ve had an EV for four years now and I rent an apartment with no charger too. There have been times when finding a charger has been inconvenient. But I’ve never looked back. None of those problems are insurmountable and most of the time it’s a minor inconvenience at worst.
What FUD I’ve seen the word a couple times today.
Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt
Could not agree more.
Energy density is the key component. It’d mean less weight for the same range so even if you make a 200 mile range vehicle instead of a 1000 mile range vehicle, the much smaller battery and lighter weight of the vehicle would make a huge difference, plus it’d be cheaper to make in general.
I won’t be buying a new car. ICE or EV. Specifically because my old car doesn’t have a lot of the things that allow the car manufacturer to spy on me, and I won’t upgrade to any of the nonsense. Right now I can fix pretty much everything in that car for less than the price of a new vehicle.
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Obsession with one of the least energy efficient and one of the most harmful ways of transportation has to end.
Build a fucking train.
gasoline cars and motorcycles will be missed, like analog film cameras and quarter inch reel tape. people will imagine what it must have been like when cars were bad ass.
Some people will. The majority won’t care.
