• TheHarpyEagle@lemmy.worldEnglish
      291·
      2 years ago

      I’ve lost a lot of my rose tint for discord, right around the arbitration clause thing, but I can’t deny that it’s convenient. Chat, streaming to friends, popping up a new server for whatever project or group, VC for playing games together. There’s platforms that do all of these things better, but few that do all of them decently well.

      Of course, it’s a privacy nightmare and I stick to IRC for anything I wouldn’t feel comfortable having linked to my identity, but I wouldn’t call people stupid for using it.

      • turmacar@lemmy.worldEnglish
        27·
        2 years ago

        Mostly I think its fine for all that.

        But there’s a special circle of hell for projects that rely on it for “documentation”.

        I get the temptation, I really do. But once you’re taking money or have more than a couple people involved and semi-organized you really need at least a small wiki/git-hub landing page with the basics.

        I know documentation is a separate skillset and a lot of work in its own right but projects can also stagnate and die because there isn’t any.

        • TheHarpyEagle@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          2 years ago

          Oh 1000% agree, having a discord for support is nice and all, but using it as a crutch in place of good documentation is a sin worthy of eternal damnation.

    • NostraDavid@programming.devEnglish
      93·
      2 years ago

      Better how? I can’t message people when they’re offline, everything is completely boring text, no images, it’s not clear how I can easily setup my own server, everything feels archaic.

      I tried using it before Discord was even a thing, and I already thought it quite sucked. If you think it’s great, then good on you for knowing everything inside and out, but the discoverability with any IRC client tends to be in the negatives. It feels awful to use.

      • Doubletwist@lemmy.worldEnglish
        71·
        2 years ago

        everything is completely boring text, no images

        You literally just listed some of the reasons IRC is better. That said, I don’t see any reason an IRC client couldn’t be made to support images, with the understanding that it would have to be done in a way that falls back to posting it as a link for people using text-only clients, but that shouldn’t be too difficult.

        can’t message people when they’re offline,

        This functionality can be enabled on IRC servers or on a per-channel basis using bots.

        it’s not clear how I can easily setup my own server.

        Again an advantage of IRC. Not every group of 2 people need their own server. And a simple 2 second Google search (or learning your IRC client) will show you how to create your own channel in seconds.

        the discoverability with any IRC client tends to be in the negatives.

        That really depends on the client. There are (or at least used to be) plenty of user-friendly IRC clients. How many alternate clients can I use with Discord?

        And heaven forbid someone should have to think for more than 3 seconds when learning something new to them.

        I swear I sometimes think that once all of us Gen-Xers are gone, there won’t be anyone left who actually understands how the Internet or the technology that runs on it actually works, as prophesied by Idiocracy.

        • ABCDE@lemmy.worldEnglish
          36·
          2 years ago

          I have used both, aside from the monetisation (Nitro), Discord (and Slack) has a lot more functionality. Not sure it’s ‘correct’ to say that people are stupid because they prefer a 21st century version of IRC.

          • thisisawayoflife@lemmy.worldEnglish
            71·
            2 years ago

            Matrix stack would be the 21st century equivalent. Discord is just another Skype - entirely a proprietary product that you don’t operate yourself. Fine for corporate use where people don’t care about longevity because it’s not their problem or interest, but trash for everything else.

            • ABCDE@lemmy.worldEnglish
              23·
              2 years ago

              I just searched for “Matrix stack” but I’m none-the-wiser, what is it?

              Right, you don’t run the thing yourself at a program level, but you can create and moderate channels as you wish, which is what most people want. Sounds like the Windows v Linux argument, just because a lot of people prefer something doesn’t mean we have to shit on it. Discord seems to work well with lots of integration (including on consoles) and fulfils its purpose pretty well from what I can tell.

              trash for everything else

              How?

              • thisisawayoflife@lemmy.worldEnglish
                6·
                2 years ago

                It’s an entirely closed source, proprietary codebase, run by a for-profit company where you have little control over anything. These corporations don’t care about actual users and they will leave you high and dry. There is a reason people still use IRC - it’s open, easy to connect to and has been around for literal decades. Remember CompuServe? AOL? AIM? ICQ? Google Chat shutting it’s doors to xmpp? If so, you understand the pattern. It’s about walled gardens and blocking interoperability. The industry doesn’t need more of that. We are chatting on an open source link aggregation site because bean counters at Reddit decided to shut off APIs to existing apps arbitrarily.

                The matrix stack solves most of those problems by providing an open source codebase and protocol, easy to connect to solution that is akin to Slack. I am fortunate enough to not have to use discord much beyond checking on a class schedule and downloading some sheet music, so I will never be a discord power user. Maybe some there is crazy awesome feature that discord provides that no open source platform does, but I have some serious doubts about that.

                • uis@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  1·
                  2 years ago

                  Maybe some there is crazy awesome feature that discord provides that no open source platform does

                  It would go into discord feature parity megaissue on github

                • ABCDE@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  11·
                  2 years ago

                  Maybe some there is crazy awesome feature that discord provides that no open source platform does

                  I don’t think any open source platform brings together the kind of functionality Discord currently has, but I’m open to being corrected on that. If there was a better platform doing what Discord does then that would be great to use. Having had to switch from different platforms for video calling for various reasons I get what you mean.

  • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.worldEnglish
    33·
    2 years ago

    I guess he’ll never put on his robe and wizard hat nor cast level 3 eroticism ever again.

    not gonna lie, I am like…genuinely kinda misty eyed over the end of the era.

  • db2@lemmy.worldEnglish
    144·
    2 years ago

    I’m glad it got archived, but if you think those weren’t fake I have a bridge in New York for sale cheap.

      • TheBananaKing@lemmy.worldEnglish
        12·
        2 years ago

        There’s an actual submission from there written by me (and posted by someone else). I am (very) mildly internet famous, under another handle.

        Can confirm that at least one of them is genuine.

      • psud@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        2 years ago

        I have massive logs from IRC in the 20teens. I used IRC loads when the web was new, and revisited it and built a couple of bots in 2015ish, and one of those logged everything as part of a game - it was a spy

        IRC is chat. Chat is sometimes nuts

  • NostraDavid@programming.devEnglish
    10·
    2 years ago

    General tip: https://web.archive.org/save/<url goes here> (including http://) to save a page. We used to be able to spam save, but they’ve implemented some throttling there, so you can’t save the entirety of your personal website all at once, but oh well.

  • phx@lemmy.caEnglish
    7·
    2 years ago

    Real question: is there any good archive of amazing internet convos from modern systems that replaces it?