• skozzii@lemmy.ca
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    2 years ago

    Stop using chrome, let the market share dry up. The only reason they can get away with this is because they have a monopoly and surely its against anti-competition laws. But who is gonna try and take on google in court?

    Break up tech giants.

    Welcome to our hellish future.

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      The one thing I never understood about breaking up the giants is how are the remaining components gonna compete. Bc “YouTube inc” would benefit alot from “Chrome inc” and “Android inc”. It’s not like when we broke up the oil giants into normal sized oil tycoons that compete against each other. These are completely unique businesses that just feed off of each other instead of taking from each other.

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    2 years ago

    Please tell me that Google was so tone deaf that they actually made a starte page banner for the anniversary of Monopoly or something.

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      I’m confident that Mozilla will follow suite sooner or later to make it easier for extension developers to make extensions for both browsers. Mozilla did that when manifest v1 came along, removed a bunch of functionality from Jetpack, and aligned with Google.

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        They implement Manifest v3 already for compatibility, but without the user-hostile restrictions.

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          It wouldn’t surprise me if they removed features to make popular extensions work. Time will tell. I’m still salty about Jetpack.

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            What do you suppose Firefox’s goal or motive would be in removing features for the end user? Isn’t their purpose to compete with Chrome and be better?

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                you’re definitely right and it’s obvious that Mozilla can’t make Firefox as private as they advertise it because of their monetary interests (thus google is default, there are paid promotions in the home page, a lot of privacy features aren’t enabled by default).

                But at least they make a decent work implementing them and because it’s free software then other projects like Tor or Librewolf can enable all the privacy features, remove the trackers and release a damn good browser.

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                It would stand to reason that if they were as bad as Chrome, that people would just stick with Chrome and they would miss out on profit entirely, I would think. If monetary incentive is a reason, purposely hamstringing themselves seems counter-intuitive toward that goal.

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                  The thing is, firefox is the only other browser out there that doesn’t use the same browser engine. They know it too. They have absolutely no incentive to change, unless some other browser engine and a corresponding browser were to pop up that competed with them. If a group decided “we’re going to make a browser that is really private and doesn’t do what Mozilla does”, and they got a footing, only then would Mozilla consider competing, but only to be better than that other browser, not Chrome.

                  For Mozilla to want to be better than Chrome, Google would have to do some incredibly dumb shit, Mozilla would need an enormous cash injection from another party, or the current stewards of Mozilla would need to be replaced with people who actually care. IMO, those are all unlikely.

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    Can someone clarify why browsers other than the ones that are Chrome based are forced to adopt Manifest v3? What happens if the don’t, are they blocked from the web or something?

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      Can someone clarify why browsers other than the ones that are Chrome based are forced to adopt Manifest v3?

      See, that’s the thing: pretty much every browser except Firefox is Chrome-based. When people talk about browsers being forced to accept manifest v3, they’re talking about all the Chrome-based browsers other than Chrome.

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      why browsers other than the ones that are Chrome based are forced to adopt Manifest v3?

      Then the only browser left is Firefox. Edge, Opera, Brave, Vivaldi and a long etc are all Chromium based.

      There is also Safari, but Safari does not support WebExtensions in the first place so it does not apply here.

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        Safari has supported mv2 extensions for years and recently added mv3 support.

        However it never supported WebRequest blocking.

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      Won’t Edge and all Chromium-based browsers end up with Manifest v3 and no v2? Will extension devs continue to support v2 in Firefox?

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        Brave claims they will maintain it in their fork but that won’t last long.

        Developers don’t need to keep mv2 support, Firefox supports mv3 plus extra APIs on top.

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          And keeping the v2 (or v3+WebRequest) support in the browser is not enough, they’d also have to start running their own extension store since presumably the Chrome one will no longer carry such extensions.

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      Yes it does still exist. It came preinstalled with the ThinkPad I set up for my daughter yesterday. That’s why I immediately installed Firefox and made it the default browser instead.

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        Yep, Firefox Nightly is my daily driver. I use Edge Canary for sites that don’t work on Firefox, such as the Snapchat web client.

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          I wish I could run Linux on it, but it’s for her online school next semester and they specified either Mac or Windows. I’m guessing there’s a proprietary software situation. Honestly though, she’s so inexperienced with Windows (her previous school notebook was a Chromebook issued by the school) that I don’t think she’s ready for Linux. She screwed things up just playing with system sounds and I had to rescue her.

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    I know this will irk some people but… Do you know why using Gmail or YouTube on Firefox feels slower on an Apple computer?

    I use Firefox on Android exclusively, but on Apple computers I still use Chrome more since Firefox seems to either be slow on certain websites or use too much memory (I’m sure it’s not Mozilla’s fault here)

    BTW I actually donate to Mozilla because I think it needs to survive (though it must be a drop compared to what Google pays Mozilla and I hope they keep doing it), but I’m not using Firefox all the time as I’d like, since the experience looks a tad worse on Desktop

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      Google makes their websites slower in Firefox. I don’t think this is related to Apple at all. You’ll probably have the same experience in Linux or Windows with Firefox and Google. They just want you to use Chrome.

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      2 years ago

      Firefox on osx and Google meet sucks. But I use it anyways because everything else is better.

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        After writing my comment, I did some research again and found an old Reddit post suggesting to lower the resolution to 1280x800 on a 13’ screen. I did so, just as a test, and now when I open websites like YouTube or Roll20, the fan is always off. I’ll try it tomorrow with Google Meet and Webex, which is also something that made the fan explode.