Your Windows 10 PC will soon be ‘junk’ - users told to resist Microsoft deadline::If you’re still using Windows 10 and don’t want to upgrade to Windows 11 any time soon you might want to sign a new online petition

  • JustARegularNerd@lemmy.world
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    3 years ago

    I’m so sick of hearing this and I use Linux on a daily basis

    Installing Linux for us nerds is just something we know how to do. Asking a computer “normie” (which is, basically everyone else) to change their operating system is just not happening.

    I couldn’t imagine trying to step my mum through installing Linux if I stood next to her, and I wouldn’t class her as stupid.

    I maintain that for Linux to obtain mass adoption it either needs to be preinstalled or make it no different to install than a regular Windows program (which is damn near impossible).

    • SickPanda@lemmy.world
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      3 years ago

      I’d consider myself a nerd but still prefer Windows.

      Some years ago I was in a Vocational college for IT and I had to deal with Ubuntu, Debian and Opensuse. I hated every second of it. I also had to deal with iMacs but that’s another story.

    • Aggravationstation@lemmy.world
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      3 years ago

      Just follow the handy dandy Microsoft guide to installing Linux https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/linux/install

      But seriously. Yes, it’s true that installing a new OS is a level of effort the average person is unlikely to want to put in. But they’re going to have to start because I believe the situation this Windows monopoly is causing is far worse than it appears on the surface.

      It’s estimated that around half of PCs in the world won’t be able to run Windows 11 https://www.computerworld.com/article/3657628/more-than-half-of-pcs-cant-upgrade-to-windows-11-report.html

      Sure, a good chunk of those machines probably can’t even run Windows 10. They’ll still be on earlier versions of Windows, even going back as far as XP in some cases.

      Because of the “latest Windows” benchmark PCs depreciate only slightly slower than bananas. Part of the reason I got into Linux as a young and poor nerd was because it could run on much older and significantly cheaper hardware. But most people and organisations aren’t going to bother trying to resell their computers for the measly sum they’d get when they bite the bullet and upgrade, adding millions of still perfectly usable machines to the ever building toxic soup of e-waste and using more resources than necessary when creating new Windows compatible devices.

      On top of that those who are unable or unwilling to upgrade end up with an OS full of more holes than swiss cheese that diminishes cyber security for everyone.

      At this point, not switching to Linux (which is really the only viable Windows alternative) and getting the longest lifespan possible out of your hardware in a safe way is frankly irresponsible.

      • JustARegularNerd@lemmy.world
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        3 years ago

        I think this is ultimately Microsoft being irresponsible, because most people will either stick with the then insecure Windows 10, or just buy a new device that can take Windows 11. Most would rather do either of those than install Linux, if they even know about Linux at all.

    • mlg@lemmy.world
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      3 years ago

      I disagree with this because for 20 years both the Ubuntu and Debian GUI installer ran like a practical joke from hell. Even Linus himself said he couldn’t get it to work. Only Debian really improved while Ubuntu continues to somehow explode every time I try it

      Every other distro besides hardcore ones like Gentoo and Arch have pretty basic installers that greatly outshine the crappy windows 8/10/11 setup screen.

      Fedora has an auto installer tool so all you really need is a USB and not some magic funky thing called rufus.

      There’s even entire DE setups dedicated to looking and functioning exactly like windows to the point that the average person wouldn’t even recognize nor care to know the difference.

      Yes actually getting someone to replace an OS is hard no matter how easy you make it because it involves doing something unknown or new. But by the same token, we used to run DOS and install windows from floppy disks like it was no big deal back before windows owned the desktop market. Talk to anyone who was a college student in the 90s and they’ll probably recognize the word UNIX, even in unrelated non CS fields.

    • krakenx@lemmy.world
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      3 years ago

      It’s actually not a big lift for “normies”, and I’m considering switching my parents to Linux after Win10 support ends. They don’t really know how to use Windows, so I just have to pre-install a Linux that looks similar (probably Mint) and then put Firefox, Libre Office and VLC shortcuts in the same place they expect. As long as Firefox still can get them to youtube and facebook, it doesn’t really matter what the rest of the OS can do. I’ll have to find an alternative remote support solution though.

            • onlinepersona@programming.devBanned from community
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              3 years ago

              Look at this bro, you don’t even have to configure anything. Just double click on the installer, click install, and follow instructions. Are you seriously saying installing microsoft office is easier to install than this? How did somebody’s mom ever install software on windows if they can’t use an installation wizard?

              Also, if an installation wizard is too hard, how will you even understand the difference between windows 10 and windows 11? How would you even understand what the petition is about? Do you really think somebody with the capacity to be worried about windows 11 or 12 would not be able to click “install” and hit “next” a few times?

              Always moving the goal posts. First it has to be easier to install, then when it’s made literally the same process as any other program on windows it’s “too hard”.

    • abbotsbury@lemmy.world
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      3 years ago

      Installing Linux has been painless for over a decade, its as easy as clicking next. You’re telling me Windows users can handle all the stupid bullshit Microsoft throws at them, but a couple different icons and a different name is really gonna stop them from understanding the basic desktop metaphor that has been in use since the 90s?

      • Cris@lemmy.world
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        3 years ago

        They weren’t talking about using linux, they meant installing it. They were referring to downloading a disk image, writing it to a flashdrive such that it’s bootable, making sure your bios is set to let you boot from removable media, pressing the right key for your device to select the boot media, picking the flash drive, and then navigating the installation interface.

        There are definitely places where I see folks getting stuck in that process if they’re not a technical user and/or familiar with linux