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‘because the people responding don’t even understand what I am talking about.’

I had to re-read your comments and run it through AI to map it to how I personally understand the universe. I can see the dissonance of current SR interpretation claiming no global ‘now’, and the ‘instant’ outcome of the observer thought experiment requiring such a global now, as you describe them further up. I unfortunately can’t do Math at a sufficient level, and still have too many knowledge gaps - missing studies/results/theories etc - to form a coherent reply to your dissonance.

Tbh any of the 4 options - 1 + 3 alternatives - are all a bit wacky to me, but QM seems hard to escape from.

In my private (non-proved/non-consensus) model of the structure of the universe, I have invented a fluid-dynamics planck substrate that all fields are derived from, and that certainly have a global clock - a ‘now’, whereas all local systems (higher complexity/states) in that ‘bohmian-like lattice/soup’ have a derived slower speed - a local reality. However, the AI thinks my ideas fall somewhere in the slick/weaselly ‘philosophical’ group as I cant prove any of it, and thus just allow the apparent inconsistency to exist as is by assuming a global clock and just adding noise. Not good, but hey, it’s a work in progress… ;-)

Anyway, I suspect that you use AI to discuss ideas/theories, and the only issue it had with the selection of comments I gave it + my own thoughts, was that your Fraushiger/Renning interpretation might be too strong in the direction of a direct conflict with SR, but I suspect you have already discussed and re-thought that a few times, so just thought I’d mention it anyway.

Thanks for starting the discussion, forcing an exploration, and hence expanding my knowledge on the topic !

I can’t cognitively follow your level of thinking on this, so I’ll refrain. But I see more and more thinkers getting frustrated by current inconsistencies in almost all fields of Science, and the ‘Scientism’ put out - as seen in the reactions here doesn’t help science at all. It’s like most science passionate people are still believing that they defend science against some religious cult, and therefore have double down on what is current weak consensus with a lot of inconsistencies. People are unwittingly slowing down scientific exploration to safeguard their own locked down beliefs.

I follow a few unconventional thinkers like Unzicker, M Levin and similar ‘rebel’ thinkers in many different fields, and while I can’t vouch for any particular direction of thought, write a critical paper or define what’s wrong with the current state of Science, I can see that current consensus and science/knowledge eco-systems are weak as fuck - all over the place, with weak assumptions, ignored inconsistencies, monetary interests, and a very rigid dogmatism in certain ‘fundamentals’ / consensus science. Fields are not really moving forward as they could’ve.

Sociology, psychology, economics and such fields are btw much much worse, and completely crammed with ideological thinking/consensus - just saying.

New and better science won’t come from those that follow mainstream consensus like religious dogmas, but from those that can see the weak spots and break out of that consensus-structure. Too bad you couldn’t find a descent level of intellectual exploration/discussions here :-(

Take your down-votes as a badge of honor !

I’m sure nobody needs to verify US tech lords private/for-profit claims/info-war - being an openly biased detective and judge at the same time, but in this case I can just LOL all over, and hope it’s true.

What a ridiculous Cnt Corporation that apparently are completely ignorant of how ALL Market behaviour works - It’s WAR you childish m*rons - expect War from others while you go steal some more data, Anthropic Uckers…

As long as the universe is evolving through cause&effect, ‘free’ will can’t exist. It doesn’t even matter if we imagine ‘random quantum wu’, or ‘Cosmic Consciousness’ we can’t control anyway, and would still influence ‘our’ choices by causality anyway. None of these studies remove causality from physics, and they profoundly AND childishly miss what the ‘free will’ debate is all about. We are organisms that evolved in an environment, all our genes are accumulated environment, and so environment is what triggers all behaviour in the end. Nature/nurture is all about environment…

The ‘free will’ question is shortly: ‘could you have done otherwise’, and no, you cant dismiss or change causality and invent a new fundamental universal ‘free will’ force that you can suddenly invoke with zero causality or energy costs, coming from nowhere at all - but still magically ‘controlled’ by you. You are an cosmic billiard ball - we all are, and we owe it to each other to create the environment that triggers the best in us - not fighting and blaming like cavemen would.

‘Being aware of what we are about to do’ follows exactly from causality as much as everything else in the universe. The Title of the study alone shows they didn’t grasp the problem at all. The only way to not be a part of causality is to remove your self from this universe. Good luck ideological/religious believers.

Religious thinking people like theist and Capitalists NEED ‘free will’ to defend all the harmful outcomes of their archaic beliefsystem, to be able to point to someone and say “My belief-system is not evil, and you the individual could just have done X - so you must be evil/lazy, and deserves to be punished/homeless” etc. They simply disregard causality/reality to protect their belief system and to hate/harm others that threaten that belief. They have been coping for as long as intelligent people have pointed out the obvious problem…

So, these studies never calculate the enormous amount of atrocities - throughout our entire evolution - caused by dumb humans believing all actions came from the individual. Revenge? check!, de-humanisation? Check! Jailing/killing ? Check ! Leaving ‘lazy’ people on the street bc they ‘could just have done X’? check ! Worshipping lucky/psychopathic ass-wipes that are in power ? check ! Religious shaming/punishment ? check ! You-name-the-atrocity ? check ! Always the same… Oh, and they never look at what belief-systems are mostly dependent on the belief…

The nonsense non-scientific belief in magical ‘free will’ is easily the most harmful belief humanity have ever had - and fair enough, also easily the hardest to recognise and dismiss until we have thought it through without emotions and archaic theistic/non-theistic belief-systems in mind…

But hey, there are always some right-wing ideologues (=anti-science belief-system), that are willing to pay for ‘proof’ of personal/individual responsibility instead of the responsibility of the environment, the culture, and their particular belief-systems, the ideology currently represented by eternal economic war - free unfair fight for your life against everyone else, forever.

These ridiculous coping studies will always show up and always misrepresent the issue. They have for many many years, and they never prove anything other than, that the archaic ‘individualist’ Capitalist and theistic belief-system still exists, and that they keep misunderstanding/misrepresenting the issue.

‘Maga economics’ is just ordinary US Capitalist/Oligarch economics with panicking Oligarchs ! Did you really think that ‘your’ side of the super right-wing US uni-party would not shit on ANY principles as they see fit ?? Come on man It’s a big club… and you ain’t in it !

Both sides are managed. It’s called ‘controlled opposition’. None of your ‘lefty’ values are officially cared about or listened too and you never had ‘Democracy’ in the US, so the Epsteins were always in control !! All of your opinions are nothing but thin air to your Oligarchy, but… somehow ‘Maga’ are bad, and you are good - without ANY of you having ANY democratic power at all !! Without ANY of you having good information, without ANY of you doing dilligent critical evaluations of your system. How incredibly captured are you people ? Do anyone of you even understand how US is run, or what actually happens in the world ?!?

ANY agreement with ANY of your oligarch politicians/Epstein shtters are direct support for their insane behavior at home, and in their insane endless wars against the rest of the world, and guess what - both sides of the uniparty have had the same foreign policy - for 75 years !!! What you see now is nothing but Oligarch panic, and have nothing to do with any opinions of the Merican people - you are NOT in control, and you are NOT in the club !!

Listen to George Carlin for f’s sake ! You are ALL - Maga’s and Dems alike - ‘controlled opposition’, 2 groups of manipulated, mentally raped, mind-colonised right-wingers that seem to believe whatever you are told by the most insane pschopathic elite, by the most insane media outlets that the Oligarchs actually OWN, and hence you live your entire life in the most ridiculous mis-information-sphere in the known world…

You are ALL being played by the Epsteins pschos from the day you were born until now ! Wake up, Stop fighting each other on their command, Stop listening to their media, Stop hating who you are told to hate, Stop agreeing with their violent aggressions around the world - just S T O P ! !

yes yes, ‘China bad’ and yada yada, but how do we get in on this cool milking scheme…

David Gibbs: How Intelligence Services Captured Academia & Journalism

Academia is always one of the first compromised institutions: David Gibbs: How Intelligence Services Captured Academia & Journalism

Beautyful !

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Cool ! Signed up, but worried about future enshittification: "Monetization scheme for publishers. Model authors will be able to receive financial support from people who would like to donate to them. "

It needs to be an optional secondary layer/addon, so it can’t enshittify the whole eco-system. ‘Monetization’ IS enshittification and will only get worse: popups, ads, fake accounts/recommendation, and all the other std scams will follow if a humble wish to support creators, becomes intrinsic monetization of the ecosystem !

‘Hear hear’, ‘word!’ and so on…

Btw. This is just one of the main paths to shape the public opinion/information space. They promote people and projects that align with their future, and hammers away on those that doesn’t. That’s all it takes. Do that 24/7 over years to a lifetime, and they can - and DO - beat activist voices/critique, and shape the opinions on everything from Academia, to Capitalist free market economics, to what human ‘nature’ is, to vilifying every ideological/scientific opponent so they can attack their enemies with no moral repercussions, and everything in between that suits them. Oh, and they own/control basically all western media and control/pay for their favourite 'NGO’s like ‘human rights’ etc, that play into their hands, but really don’t give 2 fcks about…

So, this is not just about enshittification/control of the open source world.

This whole western manipulation scheme is well-known, documented, and is also called “Manufacturing consent”, “The Blue Church” etc, and you CANNOT escape it if you are not aware of it ! Unfortunately, the whole western hemisphere are under the influence of these sswipe pschos misinformation, and quickly goes into a fierce defence of the Epstein Oligarchs, their pet ideological substrate, and the ‘truth’ the oligarchs are disseminating through their own effing media. Did anyone really believe that actual events in the world would pass through oligarch/epstein owned media, and survive ?!? come ooon…

Educate your-self’s on how the Rich man’s dictatorial empire actually works and break out before the Epstein cnts destroy our common future !!

This is just ONE of an ocean of studies/research done on the Merican Epstein empire: Colonization of the Mind -The Means, Roots, and Global Perils of U.S. Cognitive Warfare - By Xinhua Institute. Search and read it without inherited bias. See if you can break out of the Epstein manufactured ‘china-hate’…

I had a blindspot and didn’t really knew what CVE’s was. Digging a little:

https://docs.kernel.org/process/cve.html "Common Vulnerabilities and Exposure (CVE®) numbers were developed as an unambiguous way to identify, define, and catalog publicly disclosed security vulnerabilities.

This article talks about op’s chart specifically: https://www.howtouselinux.com/post/why-linux-kernel-cves-are-exploding-from-500-to-nearly-2000-per-release

We need some ‘nastyness’ from nature unless we want to become sick otherwise… ‘clean’ isn’t always a good thing unless we have open wounds, or the contaminant is particularly aggressive. Our whole body has evolved in raw nature, so we need a balance where we avoid the most dangerous, and allow everything else - to some extent.

“However, they cautioned that the results were based on a single trial day at each site and that some participants reported swimming elsewhere during the study period.”

So… bullocks with standard ‘the guardian’ fear-mongering, sensationalism, and lacking journalism ?

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So, the US Epstein class with the mag7 scammers and their fascist puppet leader have stolen Europe’s pension funds. Well, that will teach them once and for all not to listen to, or trust any Capitalists…

…hm, no, they won’t reject their dumb religion, and will continue to be US vassals for ever, and as long as the local rich ps*chos feels relative rich to everyone else, they’ll sell out their country and countrymen again if needed. Besides, the Rich-man’s for profit media bubble will explain to everyone that “it was Russia and Putin!!”, or oc “it was China !!” - we know the propaganda/narrative control by heart now.

So tough luck. To everyone loosing their pension to the US fascists deep state, and dies poor and angry: say loud and proud; “Thank you Capitalist believers !!”

Everything gets enshittified - Capitalised, and nothing good ever comes out of those leeches and parasites.

The Capitalist religion crushed a new global, free and open digital community landscape. Say loud and proud: ‘thank you Capitalist believer’, for how it looks and works today…

I have zero respect or empathy left for people that still rely on corporate *sswipes and their ridiculous products if alternatives are there. I mean, how can anyone be surprised by anything these psychopath corporate super-organisms do - they are literally psychopath entities that seeks destruction of others while growing themselves - no remorse. I guess these ‘non-profits’ were run by people who lived in a market-religion, went to business school, and bought ties - idiots… just a guess oc…

“Ronald Khosla, a former vegetable farmer and tech entrepreneur, keeps things simple at his nonprofit: He’s the co-founder, president, and head of IT for Canopy, a modest venture firm…”

So, he was a business c*nt, with a stupid/ignorant mindset, and a pet ‘non-profit’ project to give him a nice public image. F’ him and others like him for not understanding why tf ‘non-profit’ is here at all ! Their stupidity/ignorance and continued support for/trust in for-profit corps and that whole system, hurt everyone…

They want to check and control what the output is used for, IE who train on their output… The big US scum-corps are just tightening their ps*cho control regime (although most of us escapes them via Chinese open models)…

Games are where we play, and train our reasoning/problem solving skills. Games contains temporal/spatial problems, paradoxes, misinformation and so on and so on. IF this is genuine, then these systems DO have the capabilities of navigating almost any problem we can throw at it, and we’ll have to begin accepting AGI as being reached.

That will likely surprise all those that claimed that AI could never be intelligent - or similar claims.

That said, there are facets of life that are not well projected to games. Social skills are mostly in bigger gameworlds, and kindness/cooperation etc are not prioritized very much. Those types of games can oc be found, but most games are about killing and winning on the dead corpses of the other players, and there are a clear ‘edge’ of games that tries to expand gaming to include other skill-sets (musik-games, ‘girl-games’, and many other types).

Sucky violent gaming culture we have, imho…

Anyway, even with low social skills and a few skills missing, we are getting really close to AGI, and many will have to adjust their attitude towards the new situation. It’ll be interesting…